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From: Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Bold by moving pixels problem
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:08:34 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20021120220834.GC29543@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m18EUbO-000IeAC@localhost>

On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 01:09:10PM +0000, Robert J. Chassell wrote:
> Did you install the patch in which bold is created by duplicating a
> glyph, but moving over a pixel?

Yes

> The change does not look too bad with the plain vanilla instance,
> however, there are three problems with the consequences of the change
> for instances of emacs started with my .emacs file:
> 
>   * the new bold creation technique fills in letters such as `m' so
>     that they become unreadable rectangles

Yes, that happens with the font I use too; however, as I said in my original
post, it actually doesn't seem to make much difference to readability.

[I'm not entirely sure _why_ it doesn't make a diffence -- I suppose that the
little blob is close enough to an `m' and there's enough context that my
brain can fill in the details.  It also helps I suppose that boldface
typically only occurs in short stretches of text, not whole buffers.  In any
case, I simply don't notice it at all, unless I explicitly look to see.]

> That is to say, when I reset the value of `mode-line-buffer-identification'
> so its face is :weight normal rather than :weight bold, that change is only
> temporary.
...
>   * I do not know how to set the value that is associated with 
>         (face (:weight bold) ...
>     in my .emacs.

As far as I know, there is no way to universally tweak face attributes.

If the only thing that concerns you is the `synthesized bold,' I suppose a
variable could be added to specifically inhibit this behavior.

However, some `real' bold fonts actually have this same problem --
characters like `m' can be only vague blobs, with the vertical strokes
undifferentiated.  Perhaps in such a case, people would like to disable
even `real' bold-face.

So maybe it would be better to add a more general feature that could also
make such a decision based on the actual font rather than universally.
[Another case might be fonts that don't have italic -- some people
might like to e.g. display an underline instead in this case]

I'm not sure how such feature should look though.

> The `m' in the word `emacs' becomes unreadable.

You might think about just trying it for a while, and seeing if you stop
noticing...

Thanks,

-Miles
-- 
P.S.  All information contained in the above letter is false,
      for reasons of military security.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-11-20 22:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 131+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-11-07 19:39 Gtk version getting closer Jan D.
2002-11-08  0:08 ` Kim F. Storm
2002-11-08  9:21   ` jasonr
2002-11-08  9:56     ` Juanma Barranquero
2002-11-08 11:25       ` Kim F. Storm
2002-11-08 10:36         ` Juanma Barranquero
2002-11-09 14:27         ` Jan D.
2002-11-09 21:29   ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-11-09 11:53 ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-09 14:16   ` Jan D.
2002-11-11 10:19     ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-09 15:05   ` Karl Eichwalder
2002-11-11 10:19     ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-11 18:36       ` Karl Eichwalder
2002-11-12  5:50         ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-11-12  7:24           ` Karl Eichwalder
2002-11-12 17:15             ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-11-13  4:40             ` Miles Bader
2002-11-13  5:42               ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-11-13 13:21                 ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-11-13 15:38                   ` Jan D.
2002-11-13 16:35                     ` Stefan Monnier
2002-11-13 17:58                       ` Jan D.
2002-11-14 18:57                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-11-14 20:07                       ` Jan D.
2002-11-14 20:28                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-11-14 23:03                       ` Jason Rumney
2002-11-15 15:59                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-11-13 15:55                   ` Kim F. Storm
2002-11-13 18:23                     ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-11-13 18:42                       ` Stefan Monnier
2002-11-13 21:15                         ` Jan D.
2002-11-13 18:58                       ` David Masterson
2002-11-13 16:52                   ` Francesco Potorti`
2002-11-14 12:16                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-14 16:46                     ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-11-15  2:20                       ` Miles Bader
2002-11-15 12:29                         ` Robert J. Chassell
     [not found]                         ` <m18EUbO-000IeAC@localhost>
2002-11-20 22:08                           ` Miles Bader [this message]
2002-11-21  0:21                             ` Bold by moving pixels problem Robert J. Chassell
2002-11-21  1:33                               ` Stefan Monnier
2002-11-21  1:44                                 ` Miles Bader
     [not found]                                   ` <m18HRR2-000IeBC@localhost>
2002-12-17  5:00                                     ` Miles Bader
2002-12-17  6:28                                       ` Miles Bader
2002-12-17  7:08                                         ` Miles Bader
2002-12-18 10:01                                           ` Miles Bader
2002-12-18 12:26                                             ` Kim F. Storm
2002-12-19  8:34                                               ` Miles Bader
2002-12-19 10:18                                                 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-19 12:18                                                 ` Kim F. Storm
2002-12-19 11:27                                                   ` Miles Bader
2002-12-19 12:25                                                     ` Miles Bader
2002-12-19 13:55                                                       ` Kim F. Storm
2003-01-07 11:02                                                       ` Kim F. Storm
2003-01-07 14:02                                                         ` Miles Bader
2003-01-09  7:28                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-09  7:52                                                           ` Miles Bader
2002-12-18 14:25                                             ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-12-19 10:15                                               ` signal handling bogosities Miles Bader
2002-12-20 17:12                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2002-12-20 17:46                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-12-20 18:35                                                   ` Alex Schroeder
2002-12-20 22:06                                                   ` Miles Bader
2002-12-21 20:26                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2002-12-21 23:42                                                       ` Alex Schroeder
2002-12-23 20:58                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2002-12-22  2:02                                                       ` Miles Bader
2002-12-22  2:27                                                   ` Miles Bader
2002-12-23 20:58                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2002-12-17 10:31                                       ` Bold by moving pixels problem Kim F. Storm
2002-12-17 16:38                                       ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-12-17 23:54                                         ` Miles Bader
2002-11-21  6:01                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-11-16  1:34                       ` Gtk version getting closer Richard Stallman
2002-11-14 12:16               ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-12 12:34           ` Jan D.
2002-11-12 17:21             ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-11-13 10:15               ` Jan D.
2002-11-14 12:16                 ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-14 18:53                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-11-14 20:13                   ` Jan D.
2002-11-13 16:55             ` Jason Rumney
2002-11-14 17:25               ` Jan D.
2002-11-14  4:09             ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-14 17:49               ` Jan D.
2002-11-14 20:29                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-11-14 21:47                   ` Jan D.
2002-11-14 21:30                 ` David Masterson
2002-11-16  1:34                 ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-16 16:11                   ` Jan D.
2002-11-13 11:32         ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-13 17:09         ` David Masterson
2002-11-14 17:31           ` Jan D.
2002-11-14 20:22             ` David Masterson
2002-11-16  1:34               ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-18  5:06                 ` David Masterson
2002-11-15  2:36           ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-15  4:04             ` Miles Bader
2002-11-15 16:36               ` David Masterson
2002-11-15 16:31                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-11-15 18:46                   ` David Masterson
2002-11-15 21:15                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-11-15 22:35                       ` David Masterson
2002-11-15 17:33                 ` Miles Bader
2002-11-15 18:55                   ` David Masterson
2002-11-15 23:18                     ` Jason Rumney
2002-11-16  0:44                       ` David Masterson
2002-11-15 19:03                   ` Stefan Monnier
2002-11-15 18:00                 ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-11-19 13:26                   ` Miles Bader
2002-11-20 21:13                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-20 21:56                     ` Jason Rumney
2002-11-21  0:47                       ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-11-22 21:00                         ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-21  0:38                     ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-11-21 13:09                       ` Kenichi Handa
2002-11-21 14:08                         ` Miles Bader
2002-11-21 21:47                           ` Jason Rumney
2002-11-15 18:13                 ` Jason Rumney
2002-11-15 19:03                   ` David Masterson
2002-11-09 21:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-11-10  9:02   ` Jan D.
2002-11-11 10:20     ` Richard Stallman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-06-04  8:54 Bold by moving pixels problem Richard Stallman
2003-06-04 14:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2003-06-05 10:58   ` Richard Stallman
2004-01-21  5:39     ` Stefan Monnier
2003-06-04 23:30 ` Kim F. Storm
     [not found]   ` <E19O2Z4-0002Rk-GY@fencepost.gnu.org>
2003-06-06  1:45     ` Kim F. Storm
2003-06-06  0:46       ` Miles Bader
2003-08-07  6:04 last-sexp-toggle-display Richard Stallman
2003-08-07 16:56 ` last-sexp-toggle-display Luc Teirlinck
2003-08-11 12:53   ` last-sexp-toggle-display Richard Stallman
2003-08-11 17:59     ` last-sexp-toggle-display Luc Teirlinck
2003-08-11 18:54       ` Bold by moving pixels problem Robert J. Chassell

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