Re: problem of define-minor-mode while bootstrapping

["Stefan Monnier" <monnier+gnu/emacs@rum.cs.yale.edu>]

> In article <200209222254.g8MMs8I26785@rum.cs.yale.edu>, "Stefan Monnier" <monnier+gnu/emacs@rum.cs.yale.edu> writes:
> >>  What I want is to make this work well at bootstrapping time
> >>  because now ucs-tables.el is preloaded.
> 
> > Does it not work right now ?
> 
> Yes, but it works right just because
> 	(ucs-unify-8859 'encode-only)
> is explicitly called after loading ucs-tables.el.
> 
> > Why is it worse ?  It's the programmer's responsability to
> > make sure that the init-value is consistent with the state
> > of Emacs when the file is loaded.
> 
> That's what I didn't know.  When I see the previous code of
> define-minor-mode, I thought that it's the responsibility of
> define-minor-mode to synchronize the Emacs's status with
> :init-value.  So, it appears to me that your change just
> gives it up.

Well, it's just that I'm not sure which way it should work, I guess.

> If it's the programmer's responsibility, it is cleaner that
> we have this line:
> 	(ucs-unify-8859 'encode-only)
> just after (define-minor-mode unify-8859-on-encoding-mode
> ...) in ucs-tables.el than having it in loadup.el.

Maybe.  I have no opinion on that one.

> > If you want it to be automatic, then what's wrong with the code
> > suggested above to which you said "No" ?
> 
> Because it doesn't solve the original problem, i.e.,
> eval-after-load doesn't work at bootstrapping time.

Doesn't it ?  Why not ?


	Stefan