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From: Kenichi Handa <handa@etl.go.jp>
Cc: d.love@dl.ac.uk, raeburn@raeburn.org,
	monnier+gnu/emacs@rum.cs.yale.edu, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: please consider emacs-unicode for pervasive changes
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 14:48:22 +0900 (JST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200209050548.OAA13998@etlken.m17n.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E17mb1H-000733-00@fencepost.gnu.org> (message from Richard Stallman on Wed, 04 Sep 2002 10:20:35 -0400)

In article <E17mb1H-000733-00@fencepost.gnu.org>, Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
>>  I think that depends.  For one thing, it will typically clobber
>>  iso-2022 files.  

>     Yes.  On reading and writing iso-2022 files, Emacs-unicode
>     may designate different charsets.  I still can't find a time
>     to fix it.

> What exactly is the nature of the problem?  "Clobber" usually means
> "destroy or ruin"; however, your statement seems to say it would alter
> the file but the altered file would still represent the correct
> characters.  Which one is it?

As Emacs-unicode unifies, for instance, character C1 of
charset CS1 and character C2 of CS2.  So, so even if an
original iso-2022-7bit file uses the different byte sequence
to represent them, when emacs reads it and write, C2 will be
encoded by the same byte sequence as C1.

It doesn't matter for Emacs because when Emacs reads that
file again, there's no difference.

It's difficult to answer the question "Are C1 and C2 the
same character?"  To Emacs-unicode (and also to Unicoders),
they are same.  To some other application, they may be
different.

But, this kind of thing happen only for such coding systems
as iso-2022-7bit, iso-latin-1-with-esc, etc (those invented
by Emacs) because they can support more than two charsets
that contains characters unified by Emacs.

Other application usually don't use such coding systems but
use iso-2022-jp, iso-2022-kr, etc.  As charsets supported by
each of them doesn't overlap (thus not unified), reading and
writing by Emacs-unicode has no problem.

---
Ken'ichi HANDA
handa@etl.go.jp

  reply	other threads:[~2002-09-05  5:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-07-18 16:02 please consider emacs-unicode for pervasive changes Dave Love
2002-07-18 16:44 ` Stefan Monnier
2002-07-19 16:53   ` Richard Stallman
2002-07-19 17:44     ` Stefan Monnier
2002-07-20  0:35       ` Richard Stallman
2002-07-20 22:07       ` Richard Stallman
2002-07-21  5:10         ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-08-09  7:56         ` Stefan Monnier
2002-08-10 17:16           ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-12 17:25             ` Luc Teirlinck
2002-08-13 22:47               ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-12 17:53             ` Tak Ota
2002-08-12 18:44               ` Stefan Monnier
2002-08-13 22:46               ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]                 ` <20020813.175221.107709446.Takaaki.Ota@am.sony.com>
2002-08-15 19:54                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-15 20:47                     ` Tak Ota
2002-08-16 14:31                       ` FSF Copyright Assignment Clerk
2002-08-16 17:59                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-16 18:32                         ` Tak Ota
2002-08-12 19:58             ` Simon Josefsson
2002-08-13 22:46               ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-14 11:52                 ` Simon Josefsson
2002-08-14 12:32                   ` Simon Josefsson
2002-08-14 23:14                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-31 17:12             ` Dave Love
2002-09-01  0:10               ` Alex Schroeder
2002-08-13 16:34     ` plan for code freeze Stefan Monnier
2002-08-14  5:15       ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-14 14:39         ` Stefan Monnier
2002-08-17  4:19           ` Karl Eichwalder
2002-08-17 20:08             ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]               ` <m2u1lsa3sx.fsf@primate.xs4all.nl>
2002-08-18 19:18                 ` Karl Eichwalder
2002-08-19  5:17                   ` Miles Bader
2002-08-19 20:46                     ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-19 21:55                       ` Alex Schroeder
2002-08-21  0:11                         ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-26  8:37                   ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-08-23 15:03               ` William M. Perry
2002-08-25  5:26                 ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-28 15:47                   ` William M. Perry
2002-08-29 17:50                     ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-29 17:53                       ` Stefan Monnier
2002-08-29 19:02                         ` Sam Steingold
2002-08-29 20:15                           ` Stefan Monnier
2002-08-29 20:25                             ` Sam Steingold
2002-08-29 20:36                               ` Alan Shutko
2002-08-29 20:38                               ` Stefan Monnier
2002-09-04 14:40                         ` William M. Perry
2002-07-18 18:39 ` please consider emacs-unicode for pervasive changes Ken Raeburn
2002-07-23 23:24   ` Dave Love
2002-07-24 15:54     ` Richard Stallman
2002-07-25  3:30     ` Ken Raeburn
2002-08-09  7:54     ` Stefan Monnier
2002-08-10 17:16       ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-12 20:08       ` Ken Raeburn
2002-08-13  0:30         ` Kenichi Handa
2002-08-31 17:07           ` Dave Love
2002-09-03  6:15             ` Kenichi Handa
2002-09-04 14:20               ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-05  5:48                 ` Kenichi Handa [this message]
2002-09-05 14:48                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-09-06  4:01                     ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-06  4:29                       ` Kenichi Handa
2002-09-07  3:17                         ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-09 22:17                           ` Dave Love
2002-09-19  4:59                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-09-25 22:49                               ` Dave Love
2002-09-19  4:57                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-09-20  3:43                         ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-25 22:39                           ` Dave Love
2002-09-06  4:46                     ` Kenichi Handa
2002-09-05 22:41                   ` Dave Love
2002-09-06  4:01                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-04 23:30               ` Dave Love
2002-09-05 18:03                 ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-05 20:42                   ` Kai Großjohann
2002-09-05 23:59                   ` Dave Love
2002-09-06 20:02                     ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-07 23:48                       ` Dave Love
2002-09-09  0:22                         ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-09  0:57                           ` Kenichi Handa
2002-09-09 23:33                             ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-12 23:01                               ` Dave Love
2002-09-13 19:33                                 ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-25 22:49                                   ` Dave Love
2002-09-27 17:42                                     ` Richard Stallman
2002-10-04 22:22                                       ` Dave Love
2002-10-06 16:14                                         ` Richard Stallman
2002-10-04  6:08                                     ` Kenichi Handa

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