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From: Daniel Colascione <dancol@dancol.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	Ken Raeburn <raeburn@raeburn.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Can we go GTK-only?
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2016 15:49:02 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <11E61536-1345-4B81-999D-2E17F8B14C62@dancol.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwveg2xv7vo.fsf-monnier+Inbox@gnu.org>



On October 30, 2016 2:42:18 PM PDT, Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote:
>> I wonder if we should let them run their event loops, in their own
>threads,
>> and separate that from the non-GUI events like subprocesses and
>timers, and
>> from Lisp evaluation, as much as possible.  For that matter, some of
>the
>> subprocess handling could probably use helper threads, like for TLS
>> encryption and decryption work.
>
>Ideally, yes, I definitely think we should split the Emacs process into
>various threads:
>- some threads for the GUI.
>- one thread for the Elisp engine (which receives events from the GUI
>  threads among others).
>
>So the GUI thread would handle the expose events, read-locking the
>matrices, while the redisplay would run in another thread,
>write-locking
>those same matrices.

Agreed. That's basically how IntelliJ works too. We can do even better too: there's no reason these parts need to run in the same process it even the same machine. 

But this scheme won't really eliminate the coupling between redisplay and lisp though, since the former calls into the latter. The redisplay thread has to block waiting on lisp anyway.

Anyway, I strongly encourage you to look at the React Native rendering model. It's the most elegant way I've seen of constructing GUIs in general.

The key insight there is that we shouldn't have redisplay *lock* the display matrix and render it. The lisp universe should send a *copy* of the matrix set, then go about its business. This way, redisplay can go display that copy and everything is decoupled. You turn the system into an Erlang like message passing environment.

.



  reply	other threads:[~2016-10-30 22:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-10-27 19:54 Can we go GTK-only? Daniel Colascione
2016-10-27 20:05 ` Frank Haun
2016-10-27 20:45   ` Daniel Colascione
2016-10-27 21:08     ` Frank Haun
2016-10-27 20:32 ` Paul Eggert
2016-10-27 23:15   ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-28  7:13     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-28  2:35 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-28  6:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-28  7:27   ` Ulrich Mueller
2016-10-28  8:15     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-28 10:48   ` Frank Haun
2016-10-28 12:26     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-28 13:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-30 14:43   ` Ken Raeburn
2016-10-30 21:42     ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-30 22:49       ` Daniel Colascione [this message]
2016-10-30 23:57         ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-31  3:37           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-31 15:57           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-31  0:00         ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2016-10-31  8:24           ` Ken Raeburn
2016-10-31 16:34             ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-11-01  8:22             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2016-10-31  3:33         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-31 15:57           ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-31 15:56         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-31 15:59           ` Daniel Colascione
2016-10-31 16:47             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-31 17:54               ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-31 20:50                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-31 15:52       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-31 15:54     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-31 18:22       ` Ken Raeburn
2016-10-31 20:53         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-31 21:04           ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-01 15:11             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-01 16:28               ` Paul Eggert
2016-11-01 16:49                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-01 16:54                   ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-01 17:08                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-01 17:16                       ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-01 19:15                       ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-11-01 19:28                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-11-01 19:31                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-01 16:55                   ` Paul Eggert
2016-11-01 17:15                 ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-11-01 16:41               ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-11-01 16:54                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-01 17:22                   ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-11-01 17:46                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-01 17:56                       ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-11-01 19:35                       ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-11-01 16:45               ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-01 17:01                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-01 17:06                   ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-01 17:15                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-01 17:18                       ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-01 17:44                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-01 17:45                           ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-01 19:14                       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-11-01 19:22                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-01 19:42                           ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-11-01 19:20                       ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-11-01 20:05                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-01 20:17                           ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-01 20:42                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-02  2:26                               ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-11-02 15:49                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-02 15:55                                   ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-02  5:00                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2016-11-02 15:46                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-03  3:43                                   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2016-11-03 17:40                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-02  0:27                           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-11-02 15:53                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-02 16:04                               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-11-02 19:25                                 ` Nikolaus Rath
2016-11-02 19:25                                 ` Nikolaus Rath
2016-11-02 20:33                                   ` Paul Eggert
2016-11-03  1:25                                   ` Richard Stallman
2016-11-02 20:13                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-03  3:29                                   ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-11-03 18:07                           ` John Wiegley
2016-11-03 22:07                             ` John Wiegley

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