Re: etags confused with uppercase filenames (on Windows)

Re: etags confused with uppercase filenames (on Windows)

[Francesco Potorti`]

   This particular problem can be solved by adding "EL" to the
   Lisp_suffixes array in etags.c.  

Indeed.

By the way, Stavros can circumvent his problem by prepending to the file
names the option --language=lisp.

   However, I don't think etags can be made case-insensitive to file
   names in general, since foo.C needs to be processed as C++ code,
   while foo.c should be processed as C code.

That would not be a big problem, because etags can distinguish C and C++
by looking at the file contents.  But in general, I agree that making
etags case insensitive on file names means losing information, and
is not the right thing to do.

   > This happened to me because in some transfer from one filesystem to
   >another, some piece of software decided to canonicalize filenames as
   >all-caps....

I have an idea, and would like to hear if anyone has anything against
it.

To determine a file's language, currently etags does the following:

1) if the user specified a language, use that
2) else, guess it from the file name
3) else, look for #!
4) ... (other euristics)

I think that I could add:

2bis) else, if the file name is all upcase, upcase the builtin file name
      suffixes and retry

RE: etags confused with uppercase filenames (on Windows)

[Stavros Macrakis]

Thanks, Francesco and Eli, for your thoughts on etags *.el.

I wouldn't want you to spend too much time thinking about this, though!
Mainly, it was a surprise to me.  I had transferred some files a long time
ago, and they happened to have been upcased somewhere, and I never noticed
that they weren't being indexed by etags.

One of the confusing things in all this is that the wildcard "*.el" in
Windows matches "xxx.EL", too.  Not much we can do about that.

One simple solution might be to give a warning message in etags for
unrecognized extensions, and perhaps files with zero tag entries.  If etags
had told me that .EL was unrecognized, I would have just renamed the files.

By the way, what's the purpose of generating a tag entry for every line of
an unrecognized file type?

        -s

Re: etags confused with uppercase filenames (on Windows)

[Stefan Monnier]

> To determine a file's language, currently etags does the following:
> 
> 1) if the user specified a language, use that
> 2) else, guess it from the file name
> 3) else, look for #!
> 4) ... (other euristics)
> 
> I think that I could add:
> 
> 2bis) else, if the file name is all upcase, upcase the builtin file name
>       suffixes and retry

How about

	4) try to guess from the filename but ignore case this time.

I don't think that the "all upcase" condition is necessary.
But I do think that #! should take precedence since I'd rather
not change the existing behavior on POSIX systems.


	Stefan

Re: etags confused with uppercase filenames (on Windows)

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Francesco Potorti` <pot@gnu.org>
> Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 17:19:09 +0200
> 
> I think that I could add:
> 
> 2bis) else, if the file name is all upcase, upcase the builtin file name
>       suffixes and retry

It would probably be better to apply a bit more fine checks to the
file name.  For example, I suspect that only file names that fit into
the DOS 8+3 limitations are upcased like that.  Stavros, can you
confirm that in your case?

Re: etags confused with uppercase filenames (on Windows)

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: "Stefan Monnier" <monnier+gnu/emacs@RUM.cs.yale.edu>
> Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 11:02:49 -0500
> 
> But I do think that #! should take precedence since I'd rather
> not change the existing behavior on POSIX systems.

Does it really make sense to have etags behavior be different on
different platforms?  Especially given the fact that some file you are
working on can well come from a Windows system that exports its
filesystem?

More specifically, what bad effects could be caused by treating
FOO.EL on Unix and GNU systems as an Emacs Lisp file for the purposes
of etags?

Re: etags confused with uppercase filenames (on Windows)

[Francesco Potorti`]

   Does it really make sense to have etags behavior be different on
   different platforms?  Especially given the fact that some file you are
   working on can well come from a Windows system that exports its
   filesystem?

I partly agree with Stefan's observations.  I am inclined towards
implementing the following behaviour for etags when determining
languages.  Each line is considered only if the previous ones did not
yield any match.

1) use the explicitely given language, if any
2) guess it from the file name (usually from the suffix)
3) guess it from the #! interpreter
4) if file name is all upcased, guess it from the file name without
   regard to case (usually from the suffix)
5) try Fortran and give a warning if succeded
6) try C/C++ and give a warning (always succeeds)

The differences from the current behaviour are that 4) does not
currently exists, and 5) and 6) do not currently elicit a warning.
   
Note that 3) is currently used for Perl only, even if other languages
using #! may be added in the future.

Note also that this behaviour is independent of the platform.

Re: etags confused with uppercase filenames (on Windows)

[Stefan Monnier]

> > From: "Stefan Monnier" <monnier+gnu/emacs@RUM.cs.yale.edu>
> > Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 11:02:49 -0500
> > 
> > But I do think that #! should take precedence since I'd rather
> > not change the existing behavior on POSIX systems.
> 
> Does it really make sense to have etags behavior be different on
> different platforms?  Especially given the fact that some file you are
> working on can well come from a Windows system that exports its
> filesystem?

I didn't say the behavior should be different.  Just that the current
behavior works fine on the free systems that we care about, so we
should make this change lower down the precedence rather than
higher up, unless we think it's also a desirable (rather than just
harmless) change for the case-sensitive systems, of course.


	Stefan

Re: etags confused with uppercase filenames (on Windows)

[Stefan Monnier]

> 4) if file name is all upcased, guess it from the file name without
>    regard to case (usually from the suffix)

Why bother to check that it's all upcased ?
What harm can it do if we don't do this check ?


	Stefan

Re: etags confused with uppercase filenames (on Windows)

[Francesco Potorti`]

Stefan Monnier <monnier+gnu/emacs@RUM.cs.yale.edu> writes:
   > 4) if file name is all upcased, guess it from the file name without
   >    regard to case (usually from the suffix)
   
   Why bother to check that it's all upcased ?

In fact, you are right.  It did make sense the way I had initially
proposed, but once I agreed that this point should be moved after the
#! check, then just making a case-insensitive match is the right thing
to do.

RE: etags confused with uppercase filenames (on Windows)

[Stavros Macrakis]

> > 2bis) else, if the file name is all upcase, upcase the builtin file name
suffixes and retry
>
> It would probably be better to apply a bit more fine checks to the
> file name.  For example, I suspect that only file names that fit into
> the DOS 8+3 limitations are upcased like that.  Stavros, can you
> confirm that in your case?

That's probably true, although I've renamed them now.  The main reason I
suggested that a warning would be appropriate is that it took me a few
*years* since I copied over these files to notice that they weren't being
indexed by etags!

On Windows, Emacs seems to accept *.EL as equivalent to *.el, so etags
should, too (although a warning might be a good idea).  In glancing at the
code, I'm not 100% sure that Emacs is completely consistent about this
(depending on the setting of case-fold-search) though....  I have not taken
the time to check thoroughly.

But without investigating this further (I don't think it deserves it!), I
agree with Francesco's suggestions, except for (4), which I would make:

4) if suffix is all upcased, try downcasing, and give a warning if that
succeeds

This is a good idea because .EL is not the standard suffix, and may not work
in all cases (e.g. when the files get moved to another system).  On systems
which only support uppercase filenames (does etags support any such), of
course there should be no warning.

      -s

RE: etags confused with uppercase filenames (on Windows)

[Stavros Macrakis]

Just to make things weirder, if you have a file called xx.EL, then currently

  etags xx.el

treats it as Emacs-Lisp, while

  etags xx.EL xx*.el xx*.EL

treat it as C.  Conversely, if you have a file called yy.el, then currently
etags treats yy.EL as C, and the other cases as Emacs-lisp.

Apparently etags is not checking the real name of the file, just what it was
named on the command line.

      -s

Re: etags confused with uppercase filenames (on Windows)

[Richard Stallman]

    More specifically, what bad effects could be caused by treating
    FOO.EL on Unix and GNU systems as an Emacs Lisp file for the purposes
    of etags?

In the case of .EL, probably no harm.
There are some situations where case matters, though:
foo.c is a C file, whereas FOO.C is a C++ file.