* bug#5907: 24.0.50; Alt-Tab from Emacs causes gnome-terminal to lose keyboard input
@ 2010-04-08 17:42 Mingming Ren
2010-04-08 18:27 ` bug#5907: Sorry, some clarification Mingming Ren
2010-04-09 7:20 ` bug#5907: 24.0.50; Alt-Tab from Emacs causes gnome-terminal to lose keyboard input Jan D.
0 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Mingming Ren @ 2010-04-08 17:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 5907; +Cc: rfrancoise
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1. Open emacs and do some editing
2. Alt-Tab to switch to terminator or gnome-terminal
3. keyboard input lost in terminator or gnome-terminal
4. to get it back in terminator or gnome-terminal, I have to
a. right click terminator or gnome-terminal or
b. Alt-Tab switch to other application and then switch back
I only find this problem with emacs and terminator or gnome-terminal.
Alt-Tab from emacs to other apps like firefox works ok.
Alt-Tab from other apps to terminator or gnome-terminal works ok.
It seems to me that emacs holds the keyboard input focus and doesnot
wish to give it to terminator or gnome-terminal when Alt-Tab.
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* bug#5907: Sorry, some clarification
2010-04-08 17:42 bug#5907: 24.0.50; Alt-Tab from Emacs causes gnome-terminal to lose keyboard input Mingming Ren
@ 2010-04-08 18:27 ` Mingming Ren
2010-04-09 7:20 ` bug#5907: 24.0.50; Alt-Tab from Emacs causes gnome-terminal to lose keyboard input Jan D.
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From: Mingming Ren @ 2010-04-08 18:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 5907
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Sorry, I forgot to say that it only occurs when I start emacs with
LC_CTYPE="zh_CN.utf8" emacs
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* bug#5907: 24.0.50; Alt-Tab from Emacs causes gnome-terminal to lose keyboard input
2010-04-08 17:42 bug#5907: 24.0.50; Alt-Tab from Emacs causes gnome-terminal to lose keyboard input Mingming Ren
2010-04-08 18:27 ` bug#5907: Sorry, some clarification Mingming Ren
@ 2010-04-09 7:20 ` Jan D.
[not found] ` <w2j650c0a9e1004090034n8a71152fs9db45370080fcd08@mail.gmail.com>
1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Jan D. @ 2010-04-09 7:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Mingming Ren; +Cc: rfrancoise, 5907
Mingming Ren wrote:
> 1. Open emacs and do some editing
> 2. Alt-Tab to switch to terminator or gnome-terminal
> 3. keyboard input lost in terminator or gnome-terminal
> 4. to get it back in terminator or gnome-terminal, I have to
> a. right click terminator or gnome-terminal or
> b. Alt-Tab switch to other application and then switch back
>
> I only find this problem with emacs and terminator or gnome-terminal.
> Alt-Tab from emacs to other apps like firefox works ok.
> Alt-Tab from other apps to terminator or gnome-terminal works ok.
>
> It seems to me that emacs holds the keyboard input focus and doesnot
> wish to give it to terminator or gnome-terminal when Alt-Tab.
>
Please use M-x report-emacs-bug next time, it contains information that
are useful.
What window manager are you using?
Do you have click-to-focus or focus-follows-mouse?
When you Alt-Tab to gnome-terminal, does the title bar color change on
gnome-terminal and Emacs?
Does this happen when you start Emacs with -Q?
Jan D.
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* bug#5907: 24.0.50; Alt-Tab from Emacs causes gnome-terminal to lose keyboard input
[not found] ` <y2j650c0a9e1004090353q91df808do75420d35c464dd6b@mail.gmail.com>
@ 2010-04-09 11:08 ` Jan D.
2010-04-09 11:12 ` Mingming Ren
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Jan D. @ 2010-04-09 11:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Mingming Ren; +Cc: 5907
Mingming Ren wrote:
> Here's the information generated by report-emacs-bug
Please do not remove addresses from CC. If you do, the information will
not go to the bug tracker.
You didn't answer my question, what do you normally use to switch focus,
click on a window or just move the mouse over it? Say when you go
from firefox to gnome-terminal? Not in this bug situation with Emacs,
but just selecting another window.
I will paste former messages here to include them in the bug tracker.
Jan D.
> I'm using compiz and I don't set click-to-focus or focus-follows-mouse
>
> When I Alt-Tab to gnome-terminal, the title bar color changes on gnome-terminal
>
> It happens also with emacs -Q.
>
> On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Jan D. <jan.h.d@swipnet.se> wrote:
>
> Mingming Ren wrote:
>
> 1. Open emacs and do some editing
> 2. Alt-Tab to switch to terminator or gnome-terminal
> 3. keyboard input lost in terminator or gnome-terminal
> 4. to get it back in terminator or gnome-terminal, I have to
> a. right click terminator or gnome-terminal or
> b. Alt-Tab switch to other application and then switch back
>
> I only find this problem with emacs and terminator or gnome-terminal.
> Alt-Tab from emacs to other apps like firefox works ok.
> Alt-Tab from other apps to terminator or gnome-terminal works ok.
>
> It seems to me that emacs holds the keyboard input focus and doesnot
> wish to give it to terminator or gnome-terminal when Alt-Tab.
>
>
> Please use M-x report-emacs-bug next time, it contains information that are useful.
>
> What window manager are you using?
> Do you have click-to-focus or focus-follows-mouse?
> When you Alt-Tab to gnome-terminal, does the title bar color change on gnome-terminal and Emacs?
> Does this happen when you start Emacs with -Q?
>
> Jan D.
>
> In GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.20.0)
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>
> On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Mingming Ren <portis24@gmail.com
> <mailto:portis24@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> To get input focus back in gnome-terminal,
> I have to either right-click on gnome-terminal, or Alt-Tab to other
> windows, (firefox, etc, but not emacs) and then Alt-Tab back to
> terminal.
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Jan D. <jan.h.d@swipnet.se
> <mailto:jan.h.d@swipnet.se>> wrote:
>
> Mingming Ren wrote:
>
> Thanks for you reply.
> I'm using compiz and I don't set click-to-focus or
> focus-follows-mouse
>
>
> Ok, but what do you have? Do you have to click on a window to
> change focus or is it enough to just move the pointer above it?
>
> Jan D.
>
>
>
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* bug#5907: 24.0.50; Alt-Tab from Emacs causes gnome-terminal to lose keyboard input
2010-04-09 11:08 ` Jan D.
@ 2010-04-09 11:12 ` Mingming Ren
2010-04-09 12:20 ` Jan D.
2010-04-10 13:02 ` Jan Djärv
0 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Mingming Ren @ 2010-04-09 11:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jan D.; +Cc: 5907
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I don't quite understand your question. I think it's click to focus. It's
the default behavior of GNOME, and I never change it.
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Jan D. <jan.h.d@swipnet.se> wrote:
> Mingming Ren wrote:
>
>> Here's the information generated by report-emacs-bug
>>
>
>
> Please do not remove addresses from CC. If you do, the information will
> not go to the bug tracker.
>
> You didn't answer my question, what do you normally use to switch focus,
> click on a window or just move the mouse over it? Say when you go from
> firefox to gnome-terminal? Not in this bug situation with Emacs, but just
> selecting another window.
>
>
> I will paste former messages here to include them in the bug tracker.
>
> Jan D.
>
>
> I'm using compiz and I don't set click-to-focus or focus-follows-mouse
>>
>> When I Alt-Tab to gnome-terminal, the title bar color changes on
>> gnome-terminal
>>
>> It happens also with emacs -Q.
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Jan D. <jan.h.d@swipnet.se> wrote:
>>
>> Mingming Ren wrote:
>>
>> 1. Open emacs and do some editing
>> 2. Alt-Tab to switch to terminator or gnome-terminal
>> 3. keyboard input lost in terminator or gnome-terminal
>> 4. to get it back in terminator or gnome-terminal, I have to
>> a. right click terminator or gnome-terminal or
>> b. Alt-Tab switch to other application and then switch back
>>
>> I only find this problem with emacs and terminator or
>> gnome-terminal.
>> Alt-Tab from emacs to other apps like firefox works ok.
>> Alt-Tab from other apps to terminator or gnome-terminal works ok.
>>
>> It seems to me that emacs holds the keyboard input focus and
>> doesnot
>> wish to give it to terminator or gnome-terminal when Alt-Tab.
>>
>>
>> Please use M-x report-emacs-bug next time, it contains information that
>> are useful.
>>
>> What window manager are you using?
>> Do you have click-to-focus or focus-follows-mouse?
>> When you Alt-Tab to gnome-terminal, does the title bar color change on
>> gnome-terminal and Emacs?
>> Does this happen when you start Emacs with -Q?
>>
>> Jan D.
>>
>
>
>
>> In GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.20.0)
>> of 2010-03-27 on promethium, modified by Debian
>> (emacs-snapshot package, version 1:20100326-1.1)
>> Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.10706000
>> configured using `configure '--build' 'x86_64-linux-gnu' '--host'
>> 'x86_64-linux-gnu' '--prefix=/usr' '--sharedstatedir=/var/lib'
>> '--libexecdir=/usr/lib' '--localstatedir=/var' '--infodir=/usr/share/info'
>> '--mandir=/usr/share/man' '--with-pop=yes'
>> '--enable-locallisppath=/etc/emacs-snapshot:/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/24.0.50/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/24.0.50/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp'
>> '--with-x=yes' '--with-x-toolkit=gtk' 'build_alias=x86_64-linux-gnu'
>> 'host_alias=x86_64-linux-gnu' 'CFLAGS=-DDEBIAN
>> -DSITELOAD_PURESIZE_EXTRA=5000 -g -O2' 'LDFLAGS=-g -Wl,--as-needed'
>> 'CPPFLAGS=''
>>
>> Important settings:
>> value of $LC_ALL: nil
>> value of $LC_COLLATE: nil
>> value of $LC_CTYPE: zh_CN.utf8
>> value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil
>> value of $LC_MONETARY: nil
>> value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil
>> value of $LC_TIME: nil
>> value of $LANG: en_US.utf8
>> value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=ibus
>> locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix
>> default enable-multibyte-characters: t
>>
>> Major mode: Lisp Interaction
>>
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>> global-linum-mode: t
>> linum-mode: t
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>> mouse-wheel-mode: t
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>> menu-bar-mode: t
>> file-name-shadow-mode: t
>> global-font-lock-mode: t
>> font-lock-mode: t
>> auto-encryption-mode: t
>> auto-compression-mode: t
>> line-number-mode: t
>> transient-mark-mode: t
>>
>> Recent input:
>> M-x g n u s <return> y y <return> q n M-x C-g M-q C-g
>> q y M-x r e p o r t - e <tab> b <tab> <return>
>>
>> Recent messages:
>> Are you sure you want to quit reading news? (y or n)
>> Quit
>> progn: Buffer is read-only: #<buffer *Group*>
>> Quit
>> Are you sure you want to quit reading news? (y or n)
>> (No changes need to be saved)
>> Saving /home/ming/.newsrc.eld...
>> Saving file /home/ming/.newsrc.eld...
>> Wrote /home/ming/.newsrc.eld
>> Saving /home/ming/.newsrc.eld...done
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>> multi-tty emacs)
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Mingming Ren <portis24@gmail.com<mailto:
>> portis24@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> To get input focus back in gnome-terminal,
>> I have to either right-click on gnome-terminal, or Alt-Tab to other
>> windows, (firefox, etc, but not emacs) and then Alt-Tab back to
>> terminal.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Jan D. <jan.h.d@swipnet.se
>> <mailto:jan.h.d@swipnet.se>> wrote:
>>
>> Mingming Ren wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for you reply.
>> I'm using compiz and I don't set click-to-focus or
>> focus-follows-mouse
>>
>>
>> Ok, but what do you have? Do you have to click on a window to
>> change focus or is it enough to just move the pointer above it?
>>
>> Jan D.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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* bug#5907: 24.0.50; Alt-Tab from Emacs causes gnome-terminal to lose keyboard input
2010-04-09 11:12 ` Mingming Ren
@ 2010-04-09 12:20 ` Jan D.
2010-04-10 13:02 ` Jan Djärv
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From: Jan D. @ 2010-04-09 12:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Mingming Ren; +Cc: 5907
Mingming Ren wrote:
> I don't quite understand your question. I think it's click to focus.
> It's the default behavior of GNOME, and I never change it.
>
If it is the default, it is click to focus.
Assume you have two gnome-terminal windows next to each other. You are
typing text into the left one. Now, if you move the mouse over the
right one and text you type start go into the right one, that is focus
follows mouse. If text still goes to the left one and you have to click
on the right one to get text to appear there, that is click to focus.
Jan D.
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* bug#5907: 24.0.50; Alt-Tab from Emacs causes gnome-terminal to lose keyboard input
2010-04-09 11:12 ` Mingming Ren
2010-04-09 12:20 ` Jan D.
@ 2010-04-10 13:02 ` Jan Djärv
2020-11-19 3:23 ` Stefan Kangas
1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Jan Djärv @ 2010-04-10 13:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Mingming Ren; +Cc: 5907
Hi.
I could not reproduce it, not even with ibus running. My guess is that there
are some problem with the interraction of Emacs and ibus. But I can't
reproduce the error.
Jan D.
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* bug#5907: 24.0.50; Alt-Tab from Emacs causes gnome-terminal to lose keyboard input
2010-04-10 13:02 ` Jan Djärv
@ 2020-11-19 3:23 ` Stefan Kangas
0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Kangas @ 2020-11-19 3:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jan Djärv; +Cc: Mingming Ren, 5907
tags 5907 unreproducible
close 5907
thanks
Mingming Ren <portis24@gmail.com> writes:
> 1. Open emacs and do some editing
> 2. Alt-Tab to switch to terminator or gnome-terminal
> 3. keyboard input lost in terminator or gnome-terminal
> 4. to get it back in terminator or gnome-terminal, I have to
> a. right click terminator or gnome-terminal or
> b. Alt-Tab switch to other application and then switch back
>
> I only find this problem with emacs and terminator or gnome-terminal.
> Alt-Tab from emacs to other apps like firefox works ok.
> Alt-Tab from other apps to terminator or gnome-terminal works ok.
>
> It seems to me that emacs holds the keyboard input focus and doesnot
> wish to give it to terminator or gnome-terminal when Alt-Tab.
Jan Djärv <jan.h.d@swipnet.se> writes:
> I could not reproduce it, not even with ibus running. My guess is that there
> are some problem with the interraction of Emacs and ibus. But I can't reproduce
> the error.
That was 10 years ago and there has been no further updates since.
I'm therefore closing this bug report.
If this is still an issue, please reply to this email (use "Reply to
all" in your email client) and we can reopen the bug report.
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