bug#4254: 23.1.50; Typo in Calc Manual

bug#4254: 23.1.50; Typo in Calc Manual

[Leo]

Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug
and the precise symptoms of the bug:

,----[ (info "(calc)Top") ]
|    This manual, also written (mostly) by Dave Gillespie, is divided into
| three major parts: "Getting Started," the "Calc Tutorial," and the
| "Calc Reference."  The Tutorial introduces all the major aspects of
| Calculator use in an easy, hands-on way.  The remainder of the manual is
| a complete reference to the features of the Calculator.
`----

Should this be changed to (swap the closing double quote and comma):

......
"Getting Started", the "Calc Tutorial", and the "Calc Reference".
......

Bye,

Leo

bug#4254: 23.1.50; Typo in Calc Manual

[Glenn Morris]

severity 4254 minor
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Leo wrote (on Tue, 25 Aug 2009 at 11:04 +0100):

> |    This manual, also written (mostly) by Dave Gillespie, is divided into
> | three major parts: "Getting Started," the "Calc Tutorial," and the
> | "Calc Reference."
[...]
> Should this be changed to (swap the closing double quote and comma):
> ......
> "Getting Started", the "Calc Tutorial", and the "Calc Reference".

Not according to the conventions of American English, IIUC.

The manuals are probably inconsistent on this usage.

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bug#4254: 23.1.50; Typo in Calc Manual

[Stefan Monnier]

>> Should this be changed to (swap the closing double quote and comma):
>> ......
>> "Getting Started", the "Calc Tutorial", and the "Calc Reference".

> Not according to the conventions of American English, IIUC.

That's also my understanding.  And I hate this convention.

> The manuals are probably inconsistent on this usage.

I know I consciously never follow the convention.


        Stefan

bug#4254: 23.1.50; Typo in Calc Manual

[Jay Belanger]

Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA> writes:

>>> Should this be changed to (swap the closing double quote and comma):
>>> ......
>>> "Getting Started", the "Calc Tutorial", and the "Calc Reference".
>
>> Not according to the conventions of American English, IIUC.
>
> That's also my understanding.  And I hate this convention.
>
>> The manuals are probably inconsistent on this usage.
>
> I know I consciously never follow the convention.

Paul Halmos's books all use the logical convention, at least according
to _Mathematical Writing_ by Donald E. Knuth, Tracy Larrabee, and Paul
M. Roberts.  That book, however, ultimately recommends the standard
convention.  

The GNU GPL and GNU GFDL both use the logical convention, although
the "Permission is granted..." paragraphs at the beginning
of the Emacs and Calc manuals both use the illogical convention.

Despite conventions, can I assume that there'd be no problem making the
changes that Leo suggested (and perhaps the "Permission is granted ..."
part of the Calc manual)?

bug#4254: 23.1.50; Typo in Calc Manual

[Stefan Monnier]

> Despite conventions, can I assume that there'd be no problem making the
> changes that Leo suggested (and perhaps the "Permission is granted ..."
> part of the Calc manual)?

I would find such a change gratuitous.


        Stefan

bug#4254: 23.1.50; Typo in Calc Manual

[Jay Belanger]

>> Despite conventions, can I assume that there'd be no problem making the
>> changes that Leo suggested (and perhaps the "Permission is granted ..."
>> part of the Calc manual)?
>
> I would find such a change gratuitous.

It would make the manual consistent in how it treats quotes.  
Not that it's that big of a deal, though.

bug#4254: 23.1.50; Typo in Calc Manual

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

>> Despite conventions, can I assume that there'd be no problem making the
>> changes that Leo suggested (and perhaps the "Permission is granted ..."
>> part of the Calc manual)?
>
> I would find such a change gratuitous.

This doesn't seem worth doing anything about, so I'm closing this bug
report.

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