From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jay Belanger Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#4254: 23.1.50; Typo in Calc Manual Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:37:30 -0500 Message-ID: <87my5no479.fsf@gmail.com> References: <19092.5934.877994.717633@fencepost.gnu.org> Reply-To: jay.p.belanger@gmail.com, 4254@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1251244037 7285 80.91.229.12 (25 Aug 2009 23:47:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 23:47:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 4254@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 26 01:47:10 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Mg5jJ-0001Zb-8a for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 26 Aug 2009 01:47:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46226 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Mg5jH-0002kJ-UE for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:47:07 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Mg5jB-0002jE-9X for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:47:01 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Mg5j6-0002Ys-Ae for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:47:00 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=41601 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Mg5j5-0002YR-UL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:46:55 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:56570) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Mg5j5-0001dg-9w for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:46:55 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n7PNkqVp031081; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:46:52 -0700 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n7PNj4h5030720; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:45:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:45:04 -0700 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Resent-From: Jay Belanger Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs 2Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 23:45:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 4254 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 4254-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B4254.125124346129558 (code B ref 4254); Tue, 25 Aug 2009 23:45:04 +0000 Original-Received: (at 4254) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 25 Aug 2009 23:37:41 +0000 X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. Original-Received: from S3.cableone.net (s3.cableone.net [24.116.0.229]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n7PNbdaN029397 for <4254@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:37:40 -0700 Original-Received: from belanger (unverified [24.116.73.151]) by S3.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S3) with ESMTP id 21064502-1872270 for multiple; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:37:31 -0700 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:14:54 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-Vpipe: Scanner said ok (av_avast) X-NotAscii: charset=us-ascii X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 402, in=135, out=0, spam=0 ip=24.116.73.151 X-Originating-IP: 24.116.73.151 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:47:00 -0400 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:30569 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >>> Should this be changed to (swap the closing double quote and comma): >>> ...... >>> "Getting Started", the "Calc Tutorial", and the "Calc Reference". > >> Not according to the conventions of American English, IIUC. > > That's also my understanding. And I hate this convention. > >> The manuals are probably inconsistent on this usage. > > I know I consciously never follow the convention. Paul Halmos's books all use the logical convention, at least according to _Mathematical Writing_ by Donald E. Knuth, Tracy Larrabee, and Paul M. Roberts. That book, however, ultimately recommends the standard convention. The GNU GPL and GNU GFDL both use the logical convention, although the "Permission is granted..." paragraphs at the beginning of the Emacs and Calc manuals both use the illogical convention. Despite conventions, can I assume that there'd be no problem making the changes that Leo suggested (and perhaps the "Permission is granted ..." part of the Calc manual)?