From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: "51927@debbugs.gnu.org" <51927@debbugs.gnu.org>
Subject: bug#51927: [External] : Re: bug#51927: 27.2; Rename `highlight-nonselected-windows'
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 17:28:35 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <SJ0PR10MB5488F3B9AAC4867D1E5554C7F39B9@SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83wnl5wgd2.fsf@gnu.org>
> > > > 1. This var has no effect if `transient-mark-mode' is disabled.
> > >
> > > That is inaccurate: it has no effect if the region is inactive (you
> > > can have an active region even with transient-mark-mode disabled). I
> > > added the caveat to the doc string.
> >
> > I disagree. The notion of "active" mark
> > or region has no meaning outside of
> > transient-mark-mode.
>
> Not true:
>
> emacs -Q
> M-x transient-mark-mode RET
> M-<
> C-SPC C-SPC
>
> Observe the message "Mark activated" in the echo area.
>
> C-u 20 C-f
>
> Observe active region highlighted.
You're just confirming what I've said.
`C-h f C-SPC' tells you:
"When Transient Mark Mode is off, immediately repeating this
command activates 'transient-mark-mode' temporarily."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
When t-m-mode is enabled, the notion of an
"active" mark/region has a meaning/effect.
When it's disabled, it has no meaning/effect.
The echoes you mention don't change this fact
(unless you consider those echoes to be the
only "meaning/effect). Those echoes didn't
exist before we added t-m-mode, and in the
case you cite they're just useless, at best,
or at worst (a wee bit) misleading.
T-m-mode is the default now (and that's a
good thing). And all of Emacs has pretty
much taken its behavior aboard, as a given.
That includes the echoing you cite, about
activation of the mark.
There was no such talk of mark activation
before t-m-mode was added. (There was only
setting the mark.) Why? Because there was
no difference in behavior active/inactive.
There was just no such thing as being
"active". And the same is true still, when
t-m-mode is disabled.
We can agree to disagree about this. (Or we
can just disagree without agreement that we
disagree.)
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-11-18 17:28 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-11-17 21:03 bug#51927: 27.2; Rename `highlight-nonselected-windows' Drew Adams
2021-11-18 6:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-18 16:44 ` bug#51927: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-11-18 16:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-18 17:28 ` Drew Adams [this message]
2021-11-18 18:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-18 17:20 ` Juri Linkov
2021-11-18 17:51 ` bug#51927: [External] : " Drew Adams
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