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This var has no effect if `transient-mark-mode' is disabled. > > > > > > That is inaccurate: it has no effect if the region is inactive (you > > > can have an active region even with transient-mark-mode disabled). I > > > added the caveat to the doc string. > > > > I disagree. The notion of "active" mark > > or region has no meaning outside of > > transient-mark-mode. >=20 > Not true: >=20 > emacs -Q > M-x transient-mark-mode RET > M-< > C-SPC C-SPC >=20 > Observe the message "Mark activated" in the echo area. >=20 > C-u 20 C-f >=20 > Observe active region highlighted. You're just confirming what I've said. `C-h f C-SPC' tells you: "When Transient Mark Mode is off, immediately repeating this command activates 'transient-mark-mode' temporarily." ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ When t-m-mode is enabled, the notion of an "active" mark/region has a meaning/effect. When it's disabled, it has no meaning/effect. The echoes you mention don't change this fact (unless you consider those echoes to be the only "meaning/effect). Those echoes didn't exist before we added t-m-mode, and in the case you cite they're just useless, at best, or at worst (a wee bit) misleading. T-m-mode is the default now (and that's a good thing). And all of Emacs has pretty much taken its behavior aboard, as a given. That includes the echoing you cite, about activation of the mark. There was no such talk of mark activation before t-m-mode was added. (There was only setting the mark.) Why? Because there was no difference in behavior active/inactive. There was just no such thing as being "active". And the same is true still, when t-m-mode is disabled. We can agree to disagree about this. (Or we can just disagree without agreement that we disagree.)