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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: "Stefan Kangas" <stefan@marxist.se>,
	"João Távora" <joaotavora@gmail.com>,
	"49278@debbugs.gnu.org" <49278@debbugs.gnu.org>
Subject: bug#49278: [External] : bug#49278: 28.0.50; Lisp Mode is for Common Lisp
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 23:24:07 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <SJ0PR10MB5488F39277DEDB206C7C4ABCF3A79@SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvk0j1psy9.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>

> >> >> "Because it's only appropriate for Common Lisp."  Good enough?
> >> > No.  We don't know that.  We can't know that.
> >>
> >> Whether it works for other modes is not important.  What we should
> >> document is what it's intended to support.
> >>
> >> People have used `c-mode` for many other languages than C over the
> >> years, yet we haven't changed its documentation to say it for C-like
> >> languages.
> >>
> >> I don't understand why `lisp-mode` should be treated differently.
> >
> > I don't see how what you're saying is different
> > from what I said, but I sense that you intend
> > it to mean something different.
> 
> AFAIK you're arguing that we should not say "lisp-mode is designed for
> Common-Lisp"

No.  I was saying that I don't see why we should
say that "lisp-mode is only for Common Lisp".

> on the basis that some users may be able to use for some
> other languages, whereas I argue it doesn't matter what other languages
> it may be used for unless we know and care about them to some extent.

It matters, I think, if the mode is called "Lisp mode".

> > It's a Lisp mode.  (George: "Is there a
> > rosy hue?"  Jerry: "There's...a...hue")
> 
> No, that's the thing, it's a Common Lisp mode, not just "any Lisp" mode.

Then call it such, if you're sure it's useful
only for Common Lisp.

> Why should the name of the major mode be relevant to this discussion?

Why indeed.  `irrelevant-mode'? `mystery-mode'?
I'd like to call it `fortran-mode', but I guess
that's out.





  reply	other threads:[~2021-09-27 23:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-29 18:06 bug#49278: 28.0.50; Lisp Mode is for Common Lisp João Távora
2021-06-29 18:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-29 18:25   ` João Távora
2021-06-30 12:35     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-30 12:45       ` João Távora
2021-06-29 20:46   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2021-06-29 20:55     ` João Távora
2021-06-29 22:59       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2021-06-30 12:47         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-30 12:37     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-30 13:03       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2021-06-30 13:21         ` João Távora
2021-06-30 13:29         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-30 13:32           ` João Távora
2021-06-30 13:51             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-30 14:32               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2021-06-30 14:50                 ` João Távora
2021-06-30 15:54                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-30 16:02                     ` João Távora
2021-06-30 15:52                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-30 16:37                   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2021-06-30 16:47                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-30 16:50                       ` João Távora
2021-06-30 16:55                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-30 16:58                           ` João Távora
2021-06-30 14:54               ` João Távora
2021-06-30 15:55                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-30 15:58                   ` João Távora
2021-06-30 16:49                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2021-06-30  3:50 ` Phil Hagelberg
2021-06-30  9:44   ` João Távora
2021-09-24 23:01 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-24 23:23   ` João Távora
2021-09-25  0:22     ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-25  1:26       ` bug#49278: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-25  1:35       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-25  6:42       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-25  1:13     ` bug#49278: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-25  9:02       ` João Távora
2021-09-25 16:03         ` Drew Adams
2021-09-25 16:43           ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-25 17:24             ` Drew Adams
2021-09-27 20:10           ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2021-09-27 22:05             ` Drew Adams
2021-09-27 22:25               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2021-09-27 23:24                 ` Drew Adams [this message]
2021-09-27 23:36                   ` João Távora
2021-09-28  2:17                     ` Drew Adams
2021-09-28  2:06                   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2021-09-28  2:31                     ` Drew Adams
2021-09-28  2:52                       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2021-09-27 14:48         ` Jean Louis

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