From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at>, Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
Cc: "56305@debbugs.gnu.org" <56305@debbugs.gnu.org>,
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
"monnier@iro.umontreal.ca" <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Subject: bug#56305: 29.0.50; 'yes-or-no-p' deselects minibuffer frame
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 14:56:52 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <SJ0PR10MB54884AB3FA72DACEF928AF5FF3869@SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <171bab25-5eb2-884b-5c32-bcfe4fed21cc@gmx.at>
> The text mirrors the savage wilderness of GUIs - eat and be eaten.
> That's not the clean, well-lighted environment of a tty.
;-) Well put.
> 'display-buffer', for example, should not select the window it uses.
> But if you display the buffer in a new frame and the window manager
> decides to always give focus to a new frame, that window will be
> selected. It took me years to convince Drew that Emacs can't do
> anything about that.
Odd. I have no recollection of ever not being
convinced that frame operations are often beyond
Emacs's control (i.e., that window mgrs rule the
roost), or that `display-buffer' isn't, itself,
about selecting a window.
But likely this is an abstract interpretation on
your part of some concrete discussion about some
concrete problem/bug. The devil of whatever
disagreement is likely in the details - that's
my guess.
> You're barking at the wrong tree. That code worked well for half of
> its lifetime. What really got us into the present bredouille was commit
> 6355802033d202c63f6fff4b77bf2b0c7aecceef and its ill-fated decision to
> call Fselect_window instead of directly setting selected frame and
> window as the well-established and tested code in display_mode_lines
> did and still does.
As I don't follow commits, could you situate the
change you're talking about in terms of a given
Emacs release or past discussion (e.g. bug thread)?
I'm curious about what got broken when (and why).
> In the sequel, obscure bugs began to pile up, all very difficult to
> describe and reproduce (Bug#23124, Bug#24285, Bug#34317) and were fixed
> with some trickery. The origin of all that evil remained in place.
> Making the minibuffer follow the selected frame was just the final
> stab.
Thanks for such history. I haven't experienced
the fallout from the minibuffer following the
selected frame (I'm stuck in Emacs 26). But I
appreciate getting your perspective about what's
been going on.
> We should eliminate the original sin and be
> done with it once and for all.
Probably easier said than done?
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2022-06-29 17:54 bug#56305: 29.0.50; 'yes-or-no-p' deselects minibuffer frame martin rudalics
2022-06-29 19:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-30 10:35 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-06-30 20:32 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-02 11:38 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-03 8:16 ` martin rudalics
2022-07-03 16:09 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-03 16:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-04 19:10 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-04 19:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-04 19:43 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-05 2:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-05 15:59 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-05 16:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-05 17:09 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-06 17:04 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-06 17:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-06 18:16 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-06 18:34 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-07-06 18:58 ` Andreas Schwab
2022-07-06 19:05 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-06 19:09 ` Andreas Schwab
2022-07-06 19:22 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-07 17:25 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-07 18:57 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-07-08 21:03 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-09 2:15 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-07-07 7:55 ` martin rudalics
2022-07-07 9:12 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-08 7:01 ` martin rudalics
2022-07-08 10:55 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-08 11:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-08 18:31 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-09 8:36 ` martin rudalics
2022-07-08 21:45 ` Gregory Heytings
2022-07-09 8:35 ` martin rudalics
2022-07-09 10:57 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-10 8:07 ` martin rudalics
2022-07-10 11:34 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-10 11:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-10 12:41 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-10 13:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-10 16:13 ` Drew Adams
2022-07-10 16:55 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-11 7:45 ` martin rudalics
2022-07-11 11:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-12 7:33 ` martin rudalics
2022-07-12 16:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-11 16:22 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-11 16:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-11 17:15 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-11 17:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-11 17:34 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-07-11 20:09 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-11 17:06 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-07-11 20:01 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-12 7:35 ` martin rudalics
2022-07-12 14:56 ` Drew Adams [this message]
2022-07-16 7:06 ` martin rudalics
2022-07-16 20:34 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-18 7:36 ` martin rudalics
2022-07-18 14:44 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-07-19 8:09 ` martin rudalics
2022-07-19 16:04 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-07-16 23:39 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-07-17 11:29 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-17 14:03 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-07-17 15:06 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-18 7:37 ` martin rudalics
2022-07-18 14:58 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-07-18 15:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-18 16:12 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-07-18 16:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-19 20:48 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-07-20 12:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-20 14:54 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-07-20 16:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-21 15:07 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-07-21 15:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-19 8:09 ` martin rudalics
2022-07-07 15:54 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-04 19:46 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-07-04 19:59 ` Alan Mackenzie
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