From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: "Michael Heerdegen" <michael_heerdegen@web.de>,
"Gerd Möllmann" <gerd.moellmann@gmail.com>
Cc: "brandon.irizarry@gmail.com" <brandon.irizarry@gmail.com>,
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
"65344@debbugs.gnu.org" <65344@debbugs.gnu.org>
Subject: bug#65344: 28.2; Unable to Edebug cl-flet form which uses argument destructuring
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2023 01:25:21 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <SJ0PR10MB54883DBBB49CA8A94A87C614F31CA@SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87edju4mzd.fsf@web.de>
> The root of this is the old discussion of how strictly cl-lib should
> follow the Common Lisp originals. We will not pacify this discussion.
> I think we found a good compromise in most cases, even when it is not
> the optimum for everyone.
FWIW.
Dunno which part(s) of the people I fall in, but my
opinion is that we should have separated, and we
still should try to separate (1) actual Common Lisp
emulation/reproduction/whatever-you-want-to-call-it,
which should be quite faithful to the standard, from
(2) non-CL constructs (functions, variables, macros,
special forms) that might seem a bit CL-like or that
might share some of the underlying implementation
with some of #1.
I think it was a mistake to add things to cl-lib.el,
or cl.el, or cl-<anything>.el that is not directly
related to Common Lisp.
I see no reason not to do that. It shouldn't be any
harder to separate the two than to cram them into
the same library and give everything the prefix `cl-'.
Each time this has come up (some new thingie that's
unrelated to CL that we stick in a `cl-*' file and
give the `cl-' prefix) I've spoken against doing so.
I've never understood why this has been done, and
I've never heard a good argument for doing it.
You think we've found a good compromise in most cases.
My question is why there's any need to compromise.
(This is different from an incomplete or not-so-strong
implementation of some CL thingie. I'm talking about
our adding functions that are unrelated to CL support.)
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-08-23 1:25 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-08-16 18:21 bug#65344: 28.2; Unable to Edebug cl-flet form which uses argument destructuring Brandon Irizarry
2023-08-17 0:55 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-17 5:29 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-17 15:42 ` Brandon Irizarry
2023-08-17 15:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-17 18:23 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-17 23:07 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-18 5:19 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-18 5:58 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-18 6:43 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-19 8:08 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-20 3:57 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-20 5:32 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-20 6:08 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-20 6:48 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-21 1:19 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-21 7:01 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-21 7:10 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-21 7:30 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-22 0:54 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-22 5:48 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-22 6:10 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-22 8:05 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-22 21:06 ` Brandon Irizarry
2023-08-23 0:35 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-23 0:32 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-23 1:25 ` Drew Adams [this message]
2023-08-23 6:06 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-23 14:23 ` Drew Adams
2023-08-24 3:16 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-24 9:10 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-24 23:04 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-25 1:53 ` Drew Adams
2023-08-25 4:07 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-25 14:50 ` Drew Adams
2023-08-26 0:16 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-26 2:02 ` Drew Adams
2023-08-20 4:39 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-20 5:15 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-23 9:25 ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-08-23 9:31 ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-08-23 11:10 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-23 14:08 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-24 1:14 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-24 6:17 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-25 4:10 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-25 6:19 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-25 4:22 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-25 6:33 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-25 17:53 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-26 5:39 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-27 4:02 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-27 6:34 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-09-01 23:24 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-02 5:10 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-09-02 17:04 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-02 19:27 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-03 5:51 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-09-03 16:09 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-03 16:47 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-09-04 21:14 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-23 9:33 ` Gerd Möllmann
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