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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	"H. Dieter Wilhelm" <dieter@duenenhof-wilhelm.de>
Cc: "60587@debbugs.gnu.org" <60587@debbugs.gnu.org>,
	"monnier@iro.umontreal.ca" <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Subject: bug#60587: Patch for adding links to symbols' help documentation
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2023 22:09:28 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <SJ0PR10MB548816D2857B4BB56E16DDC0F3CB9@SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <834jsjkt16.fsf@gnu.org>

> > Shouldn't I address the concern of Drew, as well?  That a "button" is a
> > certain technical implementation of linking which might not be known by
                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > the reader.  Maybe a term like "link button" or "link-button" conveys -
> > at the same time - the well known concept and correct technique,
> > different from an Info link (or "cross reference")?
> 
> I think "button" is problematic, 

Did you perhaps mean _not_ problematic?  I said it's
problematic, and you don't seem to agree with me.
Or maybe you meant only "button" in "link button".
In that case, I agree with you.  We should just say
"link".

> and have no idea why Drew thinks we
> should use another term here.

Another term than "button"?  Or "link-button"?

Drew thinks we should use the same standard term we
use everywhere - including in Info: for users it's a
link, not a button.

It may be implemented in Elisp by something Elisp
calls a "button" (not a great name, but not important
here) - but that's now what Emacs calls it in
communicating with users.  In particular, it's not
how the Info docs refer to it.  For users it's a link.

> The code does insert buttons, right?

The code implements links by inserting what Elisp
calls "buttons", yes.  Is how the code implements
links what's important here?

> If the user types "M-x describe-text-properties RET",
> will he/she see that there's a button at point?

Dunno what Dieter's code shows for that.  But this is
what doing that on an xref link in Info shows:

There are text properties here:
  font-lock-face       info-xref
  fontified            t
  help-echo            [Show]
  mouse-face           highlight

I wouldn't say that a user is told there's a button
there.





  reply	other threads:[~2023-01-22 22:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-01-05 23:47 bug#60587: 30.0.50; Info pages are lacking links from symbol names to the symbol's help documentation H. Dieter Wilhelm
2023-01-06 19:03 ` bug#60587: Patch for adding links to symbols' " H. Dieter Wilhelm
2023-01-07  7:38   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-08 20:06     ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2023-01-09 12:46       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-09 14:25         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-01-09 20:01         ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2023-01-13 23:33     ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2023-01-14  7:12       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-15 12:48         ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2023-01-17 21:53     ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2023-01-18 13:20       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-20 21:09         ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2023-01-20 21:59           ` Drew Adams
2023-01-20 23:32           ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-01-22 13:00             ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2023-01-21  8:21           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-21 20:27             ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2023-01-22  6:00               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-22 22:09                 ` Drew Adams [this message]
2023-01-23 12:14                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-23 16:16                     ` Drew Adams
2023-01-25 21:29             ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2023-01-25 22:24               ` Drew Adams
2023-01-26 10:29                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-01-26 15:06                   ` Drew Adams
2023-01-26 15:12                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-01-26 15:23                       ` Drew Adams
2023-01-27 21:35                 ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2023-01-27 22:12                   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-01-27 23:09                     ` Drew Adams
2023-01-27 23:13                   ` Drew Adams
2023-01-28  8:11                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-28 17:30                       ` Drew Adams
2023-02-01 22:09                     ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2023-02-02  2:30                       ` Drew Adams
2023-02-05  0:48                     ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2023-02-05  3:54                       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-05 13:54                         ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2023-02-06 21:04                           ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2023-02-12 11:04                         ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2023-02-14 20:56                           ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-15 22:18                             ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2023-02-16  3:08                               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-20 23:53                                 ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2023-02-21  2:12                                   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-03-01 21:45                                     ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2023-03-11  8:32                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-11  9:16                                         ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2023-02-15  5:17                           ` Richard Stallman
2023-02-15  9:53                             ` Gregory Heytings
2023-02-15 13:42                               ` Gregory Heytings
2023-01-26 10:37               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-27  7:45                 ` Juri Linkov
2023-01-27  8:11                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-27 22:21                 ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2023-01-28  7:51                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-01 21:26                 ` H. Dieter Wilhelm

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