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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Daniel Mendler <mail@daniel-mendler.de>,
	"47992@debbugs.gnu.org" <47992@debbugs.gnu.org>,
	"jakanakaevangeli@chiru.no" <jakanakaevangeli@chiru.no>
Subject: bug#47992: [External] : bug#47992: 27; 28; Phase out use of `equal` in `add-hook`, `remove-hook`
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 01:23:03 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <SA2PR10MB447480C0AE647319D17399A7F3439@SA2PR10MB4474.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwva6pnz5gu.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>

> > So instead of just advising users not to use lambda forms
> > (which makes sense), you'd make it no longer work at all
> > for interpreted lambda forms (except rare cases where
> > they might actually be `eq' - e.g., same list structure)?
> 
> It would still work for lambda forms, just differently (arguably,
> in a way that's more often right than the current way).

Please elaborate.  Comparing lambda forms using `eq'?
Not clear to me how that works in the general case.

 (eq (lambda () foo) (lambda () foo)) ?

I don't see that it works at all, let alone works more
often than the current way:
 (equal (lambda () foo) (lambda () foo))

> > Perhaps `equal' can be fixed to do something better with closures?
> 
> There's no magic: `equal` has to check the structural equality, so it
> has to recurse through the whole structure, including all the
> closed-over variables to which it refers.

That's what I was hinting.  I don't see the magic either.

> > E.g., if the `eq' test in `equal' fails for a
> > closure arg then return nil?  (I'm not proposing that.)
> 
> That's what using `eq` would do, so you seem to agree with
> Daniel's proposal here.

Not at all.  I was saying that that's what I understand
him to be proposing, in the context of `add-hook'.

If that made sense for that case (which it doesn't, to
me) then I should think it would make sense in general
(which I don't think it does - no such magic).

How does comparing closures with `eq' makes sense for
`add-hook' but not in general?  That was the question.
I don't see that it makes sense for either.





  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-04-25  1:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-04-24 12:11 bug#47992: 27; 28; Phase out use of `equal` in `add-hook`, `remove-hook` Daniel Mendler
2021-04-24 20:12 ` bug#47992: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-24 20:23   ` Daniel Mendler
2021-04-24 21:20     ` Drew Adams
2021-04-24 21:34       ` Daniel Mendler
2021-04-24 22:30   ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-24 22:38     ` Daniel Mendler
2021-04-24 23:04       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-24 23:38         ` Daniel Mendler
2021-04-25  1:16         ` Drew Adams
2021-04-25  3:08           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-25  4:57             ` Drew Adams
2021-04-25 13:52               ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-25  1:16       ` Drew Adams
2021-04-25  1:23     ` Drew Adams [this message]
2021-04-25  3:10       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-25  4:57         ` Drew Adams
2021-04-25 10:33           ` Daniel Mendler
2021-04-25 13:56           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-05-02  9:09 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-05-02 10:37   ` Daniel Mendler
2021-05-03  8:50     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-07-06 14:44     ` Olivier Certner
     [not found]   ` <877di6udfy.fsf@web.de>
2021-07-04  1:09     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-07-04  2:35       ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-07-04  2:56         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-07-04  4:28           ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-07-04 13:36             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-07-04 17:08               ` bug#47992: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-07-04 22:45                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-07-05 12:39                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-07-06  1:48             ` Richard Stallman
2021-07-06  2:37               ` bug#47992: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-07-06  3:21                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-07-07 23:57                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-07-06  9:46               ` Arthur Miller
2021-07-07 23:57                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-07-08  2:11                   ` Arthur Miller
2021-07-04 23:15       ` Michael Heerdegen

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