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From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@web.de>,
	Daniel Mendler <mail@daniel-mendler.de>,
	"47992@debbugs.gnu.org" <47992@debbugs.gnu.org>,
	"monnier@iro.umontreal.ca" <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	"jakanakaevangeli@chiru.no" <jakanakaevangeli@chiru.no>
Subject: bug#47992: [External] : bug#47992: 27; 28; Phase out use of `equal` in `add-hook`, `remove-hook`
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2021 14:39:53 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zgv1ylwm.fsf@gnus.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <SA2PR10MB4474644DFC651647CCCA1D92F31D9@SA2PR10MB4474.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 4 Jul 2021 17:08:00 +0000")

Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:

> FWIW, I disagree.  There's no real need for such
> a "new form".
>
> I think the use case you've imagined for it is a
> s t r e t c h .  Users will just as likely avoid
> making any of your new forms as they avoid named
> functions now.

Languages that have added naming to their lambdas mostly do so because
it eases debugging and the like.  We're going to see more and more code
in Emacs that's based on closures, which means that our backtraces will
just contain a bunch of unnamed lambda forms, called from asynchronous
contexts, with no easy way for xref to jump to the location(s) where
they were defined, and profiling will have the same problem.

It's true that users will commonly avoid naming their lambdas, but
library makers (in Javascript, which has named lambdas) often do put
them in -- to aid debugging and profiling.

My suggestion, though, for the particular usage in hooks we were
discussing here, was that the new `push-hook' (or whatever) function
would disallow using anonymous lambdas, thereby forcing users to name
their lambdas (in this context).

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no





  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-07-05 12:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-04-24 12:11 bug#47992: 27; 28; Phase out use of `equal` in `add-hook`, `remove-hook` Daniel Mendler
2021-04-24 20:12 ` bug#47992: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-24 20:23   ` Daniel Mendler
2021-04-24 21:20     ` Drew Adams
2021-04-24 21:34       ` Daniel Mendler
2021-04-24 22:30   ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-24 22:38     ` Daniel Mendler
2021-04-24 23:04       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-24 23:38         ` Daniel Mendler
2021-04-25  1:16         ` Drew Adams
2021-04-25  3:08           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-25  4:57             ` Drew Adams
2021-04-25 13:52               ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-25  1:16       ` Drew Adams
2021-04-25  1:23     ` Drew Adams
2021-04-25  3:10       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-25  4:57         ` Drew Adams
2021-04-25 10:33           ` Daniel Mendler
2021-04-25 13:56           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-05-02  9:09 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-05-02 10:37   ` Daniel Mendler
2021-05-03  8:50     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-07-06 14:44     ` Olivier Certner
     [not found]   ` <877di6udfy.fsf@web.de>
2021-07-04  1:09     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-07-04  2:35       ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-07-04  2:56         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-07-04  4:28           ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-07-04 13:36             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-07-04 17:08               ` bug#47992: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-07-04 22:45                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-07-05 12:39                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen [this message]
2021-07-06  1:48             ` Richard Stallman
2021-07-06  2:37               ` bug#47992: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-07-06  3:21                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-07-07 23:57                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-07-06  9:46               ` Arthur Miller
2021-07-07 23:57                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-07-08  2:11                   ` Arthur Miller
2021-07-04 23:15       ` Michael Heerdegen

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