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From: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@gmail.com>
To: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@web.de>
Cc: 26624@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#26624: 26.0.50; Generalized variable `buffer-local-value' does't restore local flag
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 17:54:02 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAArVCkSK8bcxWgTHN6b6i9G1uZO5yzX5MwBUzmj2wsAk2ucyQQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87inbcwjrm.fsf@web.de>

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Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@web.de> schrieb am So., 4. Feb. 2018
um 22:02 Uhr:

> Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@gmail.com> writes:
>
> >  #+begin_src emacs-lisp
> >  (setq my-alist '((x . 1)))
> >  (ignore (cl-letf (((alist-get 'y my-alist) 17)) my-alist))
> >  my-alist
> >  ==> ((y) (x . 1))
> >  #+end_src
>
> > I think we should spend significant efforts to avoid surprises. In
> > this case, if it means we should remove `alist-get' as well from the
> > forms supported by `cl-letf', then I think that's what we should
> > do. The documentation for `cl-letf' clearly states: "On exit, either
> > normally or because of a ‘throw’ or error, the PLACEs are set back to
> > their original values." If it can't do that for some place form, it
> > shouldn't be allowed.
>
> But
>
>   (alist-get value my-alist)
>
> doesn't change for any value (especially for y), so the alist, or the
> `alist-get' place expressions, aren't effectively changed.  The object
> that represents the alist changes, however.  Is that a problem or an
> internal implementation detail?
>
>
>
Since it affects user-visible behavior, I wouldn't classify it as internal
implementation detail.
It seems to me that the approach that `cl-letf` takes is too naive: binding
a generalized variable is never the same as setting it and later resetting
it to the previous value, not even for simple dynamic symbols (consider
unbound variables). Rather than having `(cl-letf ((place val)) body)`
expand to

(let ((oldval place))
  (setf place val)
  (unwind-protect body
    (setf place oldval)))

it should rather expand to

(let ((old-state (internal-get-state place)))
  (setf place val)
  (unwind-protect body
    (internal-reset-state place old-state)))

with suitably defined `internal-get-state` and `internal-reset-state`. For
most use cases `internal-get-state` and `internal-reset-state` could just
be `identity` and `setf`, but for the cases discussed here they would
contain additional information.

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  reply	other threads:[~2018-02-11 17:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-04-23 17:13 bug#26624: 26.0.50; Generalized variable `buffer-local-value' does't restore local flag Philipp Stephani
2017-06-17 13:10 ` Philipp Stephani
2017-06-17 18:48   ` npostavs
2017-06-18  4:17   ` Michael Heerdegen
2017-07-02 16:53     ` Philipp Stephani
2017-09-24 15:19       ` Philipp Stephani
2017-09-24 15:36         ` Michael Heerdegen
2017-09-24 15:44         ` Noam Postavsky
2017-09-24 16:42           ` Philipp Stephani
2017-09-24 17:43             ` Noam Postavsky
2017-09-29  7:50               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-29 20:55                 ` Philipp Stephani
2017-09-30  6:46                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-26 22:19                     ` Michael Heerdegen
2017-12-27 16:10                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-27 19:54                         ` Michael Heerdegen
2017-12-27 20:27                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-29 14:08                             ` Michael Heerdegen
2017-12-29 16:14                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-29 16:20                                 ` Philipp Stephani
2022-08-21 21:38           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 22:21             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-22  6:53               ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-08-22 10:10                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-22 21:43                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-08-23 10:28                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-01-24 14:33       ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-02-04 19:01         ` Philipp Stephani
2018-02-04 21:02           ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-02-11 17:54             ` Philipp Stephani [this message]
2018-02-11 20:56               ` Michael Heerdegen

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