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From: Gregory Heytings <gregory@heytings.org>
To: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@gmx.de>
Cc: 60505@debbugs.gnu.org, Julien Roy <julien@jroy.ca>
Subject: bug#60505: 29.0.60; Fido Mode and Tramp Completion
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2023 14:14:35 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8dea9f3e0eb47ac9e4ab@heytings.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87tu15m6g7.fsf@gmx.de>


>> 2. Doing that is not enough, because of an incompatibility between 
>> Tramp and the 'flex' and 'substring' mechanisms.  The Tramp manual has 
>> a footnote which mentions that incompatibility: "Some completion 
>> styles, like `substring' or `flex', require to type at least one 
>> character after the trailing `:'."  A one-line patch to fix it was 
>> proposed, but rejected, a year and a half ago.  It is attached to this 
>> email, and you can use it locally.  As I said in the bug thread in 
>> which that patch was proposed: "I expect other bug reports from 
>> confused users".
>
> I don't deny that there is a problem, and it isn't a surprise that 
> people report about. But I don't think that Tramp misbehaves, it does 
> exactly what it is specified to do.
>

You may remind that we disagreed on that point.  When a connection method 
has already been fully specified by the user, such as "/ssh:", there is no 
reason Tramp should tell the user that there are two other connection 
methods "/sshfs:" and "/sshx:".  IOW, after

C-x C-f /ssh TAB

it makes sense to tell the user that there are three possible methods: 
"/ssh:", "/sshfs:" and "/sshx:".  But after

C-x C-f /ssh: TAB

there is no reason to do that again.  What the user expects at that point 
is a list of hostnames.

>
> I guess that flex and friends use completion out of the specification. 
> But I have no knowledge about the completion machinery; otherwise I 
> would have tried to find the root of the problem. I'm also not opposed 
> to extend the completion API for use in Tramp. What I'm opposed to is to 
> apply just an ad-hoc patch, which could have collateral damages.
>
> I still hope that somebody with more knowledge about the completion 
> machinery could take a stab at it.
>

Why could we not use the ad-hoc patch, with a FIXME note, until somebody 
has the time to find a better solution, instead of letting bug reports 
about that problem accumulate?  Sure, it could possibly have a collateral 
damage, but it could as well have no collateral damage at all.






  reply	other threads:[~2023-01-05 14:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-01-02 19:37 bug#60505: 29.0.60; Fido Mode and Tramp Completion Julien Roy
2023-01-03  8:56 ` Michael Albinus
2023-01-05 13:07 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-01-05 13:55   ` Michael Albinus
2023-01-05 14:14     ` Gregory Heytings [this message]
2023-01-06  9:51       ` Gregory Heytings
2023-01-14 21:37         ` Gregory Heytings
2023-01-15 19:23           ` Michael Albinus
2023-01-15 22:38             ` Gregory Heytings
2023-01-18 12:30               ` Michael Albinus
2023-02-01 18:12                 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-02-01 20:15                   ` Michael Albinus
2023-02-01 21:27                     ` Gregory Heytings
2023-02-02  6:37                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-02  8:25                         ` Michael Albinus
2023-02-02  9:15                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-02 15:39                           ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-03 15:40                             ` Michael Albinus
2023-02-03 18:43                               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-03 19:23                                 ` Michael Albinus
2023-02-03 20:51                                   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-04 16:04                                     ` Michael Albinus
2023-02-04 16:48                                       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-03 22:33                               ` Gregory Heytings
2023-02-04  9:54                                 ` Michael Albinus
2023-02-06 17:26                               ` Michael Albinus
2023-02-06 17:41                                 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-02-07  0:35                                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-02-07  8:54                                   ` Michael Albinus
2023-02-07 18:20                                     ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-02-07 18:30                                       ` Michael Albinus
2023-02-07 20:39                                         ` Michael Heerdegen
     [not found]                                           ` <87357h19qj.fsf@dick>
2023-02-08  8:05                                             ` Michael Albinus
2023-02-08 11:27                                               ` dick
2023-02-08 13:08                                                 ` Michael Albinus
2023-02-08 13:20                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-08 14:13                                                     ` dick
2023-02-08 14:42                                                       ` Michael Albinus
2023-02-08 13:30                                                   ` dick
2023-02-08 15:04                                           ` Michael Albinus
2023-02-07 22:22                                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-08 15:11                                           ` Michael Albinus
2023-02-08 16:18                                             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-08 17:59                                               ` Michael Albinus
2023-02-08 19:03                                                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-10 16:55                                                   ` Michael Albinus
2023-02-12 19:26                                                     ` Michael Albinus
2023-02-07 19:18                                     ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-02-08 15:09                                       ` Michael Albinus
2023-02-09  0:38                                         ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-02-03  0:23                         ` Gregory Heytings
2023-02-03  7:43                           ` Juri Linkov
2023-02-03  8:39                             ` Michael Albinus
2023-02-03 12:01                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-02 15:16                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-02 15:05     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-01-05 20:58   ` Julien Roy
     [not found] <874k4xblcy.fsf.ref@aol.com>
2022-02-17 14:47 ` bug#54042: 29.0.50; fido-mode and ssh not listing hosts Ergus via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-02-17 16:43   ` Michael Albinus
     [not found]   ` <handler.54042.D60505.167623003032452.notifdone@debbugs.gnu.org>
2023-02-15 18:31     ` bug#54042: closed (Re: bug#60505: 29.0.60; Fido Mode and Tramp Completion) Ergus via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-16  8:51       ` Michael Albinus
2023-02-18 17:25         ` Michael Albinus
2023-02-19  2:04           ` Ergus via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-19  9:53             ` Michael Albinus

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