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From: "Kévin Le Gouguec" <kevin.legouguec@gmail.com>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se>,
	35887@debbugs.gnu.org, Bob Proulx <bob@proulx.com>
Subject: bug#35887: 26.1; global-eldoc-mode minibuffer noise is very annoying
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 18:12:47 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <877dtyvabk.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <07457c95-138b-4769-8e36-3482a9302e00@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 16 Aug 2020 07:32:37 -0700 (PDT)")

Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:

>> Bob Proulx <bob@proulx.com> writes:
>> 
>> > In recent Emacs global-eldoc-mode has been enabled by default.  This is
>> > a very annoying mode that causes minibuffer hints of elisp doc strings
>> > to be flashing by in the minibuffer as the point moves around in the
>> > buffer.
>> >
>> > Please revert this.
>> 
>> This has now been the default since 26.1.  Users will have gotten used
>> to it, and it has seen only few complaints.  It is easy enough to
>> disable it for those that really don't like it.
>> 
>> I therefore propose to close this as wontfix.
>
> +1 to DISable it by default, IOW revert to normal,
> longstanding Emacs behavior.  There was no reason to
> enable it by default.  It's easy enough to ENable.
>
> Such things should be opt-in.

FWIW, I find eldoc's echo-area hints rather useful and, more
importantly, innocuous.

I don't have a problem with Emacs enabling features by default; it seems
fair to me for Emacs to enable unobtrusive features on the off chance
that it helps someone, as long as they're easy to disable for users who
dislike them (and I can understand disliking the echo-area agitation).

IMO Eldoc is no worse than e.g. the menu bar or the tool bar.  I don't
find those bars worth the space they take, but I'm sure they help plenty
of people, and I'll gladly endure the two-line penalty to my config to
hide them if showing them by default helps enough users.





  reply	other threads:[~2020-08-16 16:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-05-24 19:51 bug#35887: 26.1; global-eldoc-mode minibuffer noise is very annoying Bob Proulx
2019-05-24 20:47 ` npostavs
2019-05-24 21:35   ` Bob Proulx
2019-05-24 22:38     ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-24 23:24       ` Bob Proulx
2019-05-25  2:21     ` Noam Postavsky
2019-05-25  6:19       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-26 11:51         ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-05-25  8:00     ` martin rudalics
2019-05-27 20:30       ` Juri Linkov
2019-05-27 22:31         ` Drew Adams
2019-05-28 15:54           ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-06-04  8:21         ` martin rudalics
2019-06-04 13:30           ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-06-05 21:06             ` Juri Linkov
2019-05-27  3:23 ` Drew Adams
2020-08-16 10:16 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-08-16 14:32   ` Drew Adams
2020-08-16 16:12     ` Kévin Le Gouguec [this message]
2020-08-16 14:39   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-01 12:27     ` Stefan Kangas

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