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[109.13.143.200]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k184sm26193580wme.1.2020.08.16.09.12.47 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 16 Aug 2020 09:12:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <07457c95-138b-4769-8e36-3482a9302e00@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 16 Aug 2020 07:32:37 -0700 (PDT)") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:185302 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: >> Bob Proulx writes: >> >> > In recent Emacs global-eldoc-mode has been enabled by default. This is >> > a very annoying mode that causes minibuffer hints of elisp doc strings >> > to be flashing by in the minibuffer as the point moves around in the >> > buffer. >> > >> > Please revert this. >> >> This has now been the default since 26.1. Users will have gotten used >> to it, and it has seen only few complaints. It is easy enough to >> disable it for those that really don't like it. >> >> I therefore propose to close this as wontfix. > > +1 to DISable it by default, IOW revert to normal, > longstanding Emacs behavior. There was no reason to > enable it by default. It's easy enough to ENable. > > Such things should be opt-in. FWIW, I find eldoc's echo-area hints rather useful and, more importantly, innocuous. I don't have a problem with Emacs enabling features by default; it seems fair to me for Emacs to enable unobtrusive features on the off chance that it helps someone, as long as they're easy to disable for users who dislike them (and I can understand disliking the echo-area agitation). IMO Eldoc is no worse than e.g. the menu bar or the tool bar. I don't find those bars worth the space they take, but I'm sure they help plenty of people, and I'll gladly endure the two-line penalty to my config to hide them if showing them by default helps enough users.