bug#20073: 24.4; "Title of the technical report (BibTeX converts it to lowercase)"

bug#20073: 24.4; "Title of the technical report (BibTeX converts it to lowercase)"

[Emanuel Berg]

If point is at the title field of a BibTeX techreport
entry, the echo area says "Title of the technical
report (BibTeX converts it to lowercase)". (It does so
even if the title is in lowercase.) What does this
refer to? Is it /usr/bin/bibtex.original that does
that? For example with /usr/bin/biber, there is no
such transformation and the PDF end result (e.g., with
xelatex) is true to the case sensitiveness of the .bib
file.



In GNU Emacs 24.4.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)
 of 2014-10-25 on trouble, modified by Debian
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Title of the technical report (BibTeX converts it to lowercase)
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Sponsoring institution of the report
Title of the technical report (BibTeX converts it to lowercase) [3 times]
Saving file /home/incal/public_html/hs-linux/docs/report/report.bib...
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Title of the technical report (BibTeX converts it to lowercase)
Mark set

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bug#20073: 24.4; "Title of the technical report (BibTeX converts it to lowercase)"

[Lars Ingebrigtsen]

Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se> writes:

> If point is at the title field of a BibTeX techreport
> entry, the echo area says "Title of the technical
> report (BibTeX converts it to lowercase)". (It does so
> even if the title is in lowercase.) What does this
> refer to? Is it /usr/bin/bibtex.original that does
> that? For example with /usr/bin/biber, there is no
> such transformation and the PDF end result (e.g., with
> xelatex) is true to the case sensitiveness of the .bib
> file.

(I'm going through old bug reports that unfortunately have not received
any responses yet.)

Do you have an example .bib file that displays this behaviour?

-- 
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bug#20073: 24.4; "Title of the technical report (BibTeX converts it to lowercase)"

[Stefan Kangas]

Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se> writes:
>
>> If point is at the title field of a BibTeX techreport
>> entry, the echo area says "Title of the technical
>> report (BibTeX converts it to lowercase)". (It does so
>> even if the title is in lowercase.) What does this
>> refer to? Is it /usr/bin/bibtex.original that does
>> that? For example with /usr/bin/biber, there is no
>> such transformation and the PDF end result (e.g., with
>> xelatex) is true to the case sensitiveness of the .bib
>> file.
>
> (I'm going through old bug reports that unfortunately have not received
> any responses yet.)
>
> Do you have an example .bib file that displays this behaviour?

A request for more information sent in August, but I noticed that the
reporters e-mail was not included in the reply.

Could you provide the information Lars asked for above, Emanuel?

Thanks in advance.

Best regards,
Stefan Kangas

bug#20073: 24.4; "Title of the technical report (BibTeX converts it to lowercase)"

[Stefan Kangas]

tags 20073 + unreproducible
close 20073
thanks

Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se> writes:

> Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
>
>> Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se> writes:
>>
>>> If point is at the title field of a BibTeX techreport
>>> entry, the echo area says "Title of the technical
>>> report (BibTeX converts it to lowercase)". (It does so
>>> even if the title is in lowercase.) What does this
>>> refer to? Is it /usr/bin/bibtex.original that does
>>> that? For example with /usr/bin/biber, there is no
>>> such transformation and the PDF end result (e.g., with
>>> xelatex) is true to the case sensitiveness of the .bib
>>> file.
>>
>> (I'm going through old bug reports that unfortunately have not received
>> any responses yet.)
>>
>> Do you have an example .bib file that displays this behaviour?
>
> A request for more information sent in August, but I noticed that the
> reporters e-mail was not included in the reply.
>
> Could you provide the information Lars asked for above, Emanuel?

More information was requested, but none was given within 5 weeks, so
I'm closing this bug.

If this is still an issue, please reply to this email (use "Reply to
all" in your email client) and we can reopen the bug report.

Best regards,
Stefan Kangas

bug#20073: 24.4; "Title of the technical report (BibTeX converts it to lowercase)"

[Basil L. Contovounesios]

Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se> writes:
>
>> If point is at the title field of a BibTeX techreport
>> entry, the echo area says "Title of the technical
>> report (BibTeX converts it to lowercase)". (It does so
>> even if the title is in lowercase.) What does this
>> refer to? Is it /usr/bin/bibtex.original that does
>> that? For example with /usr/bin/biber, there is no
>> such transformation and the PDF end result (e.g., with
>> xelatex) is true to the case sensitiveness of the .bib
>> file.
>
> Do you have an example .bib file that displays this behaviour?

0. emacs -Q
1. C-x h DEL
2. M-x bibtex-mode RET
3. C-c C-b TechReport RET C-j

Echo area reports "Title of the technical report (BibTeX converts it to
lowercase)".

You can also type 'C-c ?' to get the corresponding help string for the
current field.

These help strings have been with bibtex.el since the early 90s, but I'm
not sure what they refer to.  Maybe Roland (CCed) does?

Thanks,

-- 
Basil

bug#20073: 24.4; "Title of the technical report (BibTeX converts it to lowercase)"

[Roland Winkler]

On Thu Mar 11 2021 Basil L. Contovounesios wrote:
> Echo area reports "Title of the technical report (BibTeX converts
> it to lowercase)".
[snip]
> These help strings have been with bibtex.el since the early 90s,
> but I'm not sure what they refer to.  Maybe Roland (CCed) does?

Yes, these help strings refer to the fact that old-fashioned BibTeX
converts all words appearing in a title string to lowercase (with a
few exceptions).  This applies not only to technical reports, but
also, say, to the title of journal articles.  Also, this is current
behavior of BibTeX with a number of BibTeX style files I am using
for my own work.  (Title words enclosed by braces are not converted
to lowercase, that's what bibtex-field-braces-alist is intended for.)

All this is original old-fashioned BibTeX.  I do not know much about
its modern successor biblatex (beyond what people tell me).  But it
seems to me it would make sense that bibtex-mode's help does not
talk about conversion to lowercase if one is using biblatex.

bug#20073: 24.4; "Title of the technical report (BibTeX converts it to lowercase)"

[Basil L. Contovounesios]

tags 20073 - moreinfo unreproducible
tags 20073 + notabug
quit

"Roland Winkler" <winkler@gnu.org> writes:

> On Thu Mar 11 2021 Basil L. Contovounesios wrote:
>> Echo area reports "Title of the technical report (BibTeX converts
>> it to lowercase)".
> [snip]
>> These help strings have been with bibtex.el since the early 90s,
>> but I'm not sure what they refer to.  Maybe Roland (CCed) does?
>
> Yes, these help strings refer to the fact that old-fashioned BibTeX
> converts all words appearing in a title string to lowercase (with a
> few exceptions).  This applies not only to technical reports, but
> also, say, to the title of journal articles.  Also, this is current
> behavior of BibTeX with a number of BibTeX style files I am using
> for my own work.  (Title words enclosed by braces are not converted
> to lowercase, that's what bibtex-field-braces-alist is intended for.)

Makes sense, thanks for enlightening us.

> All this is original old-fashioned BibTeX.  I do not know much about
> its modern successor biblatex (beyond what people tell me).  But it
> seems to me it would make sense that bibtex-mode's help does not
> talk about conversion to lowercase if one is using biblatex.

These strings are present only in bibtex-BibTeX-entry-alist, not
bibtex-biblatex-entry-alist, so I think we're fine.

-- 
Basil