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Contovounesios" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20073: 24.4; "Title of the technical report (BibTeX converts it to lowercase)" Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2021 18:11:35 +0000 Message-ID: <877dmcdyy0.fsf@tcd.ie> References: <87y4n4g02h.fsf@debian.uxu> <871ry3ravm.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <87r1kl9vtk.fsf@tcd.ie> <44132.56642.501212.24651@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="7079"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 20073@debbugs.gnu.org To: "Roland Winkler" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 12 19:54:03 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lKmvD-0001hJ-0a for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 12 Mar 2021 19:54:03 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52084 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lKmvC-0003Se-1M for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 12 Mar 2021 13:54:02 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43122) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lKmGY-0007th-KD for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Mar 2021 13:12:04 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:46762) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lKmGY-0004P8-3O for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Mar 2021 13:12:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lKmGX-0002RV-TG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Mar 2021 13:12:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "Basil L. 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Contovounesios wrote: >> Echo area reports "Title of the technical report (BibTeX converts >> it to lowercase)". > [snip] >> These help strings have been with bibtex.el since the early 90s, >> but I'm not sure what they refer to. Maybe Roland (CCed) does? > > Yes, these help strings refer to the fact that old-fashioned BibTeX > converts all words appearing in a title string to lowercase (with a > few exceptions). This applies not only to technical reports, but > also, say, to the title of journal articles. Also, this is current > behavior of BibTeX with a number of BibTeX style files I am using > for my own work. (Title words enclosed by braces are not converted > to lowercase, that's what bibtex-field-braces-alist is intended for.) Makes sense, thanks for enlightening us. > All this is original old-fashioned BibTeX. I do not know much about > its modern successor biblatex (beyond what people tell me). But it > seems to me it would make sense that bibtex-mode's help does not > talk about conversion to lowercase if one is using biblatex. These strings are present only in bibtex-BibTeX-entry-alist, not bibtex-biblatex-entry-alist, so I think we're fine. -- Basil