* bug#15799: 24.3.50; dired-hide-details-mode: Provide default key binding
@ 2013-11-04 8:09 Jambunathan K
2013-11-04 14:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-11-15 5:15 ` Jambunathan K
0 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Jambunathan K @ 2013-11-04 8:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 15799
All my dired buffers, hide the details by default (See below). I
propose "@" as a key for toggling the details.
I suggest
(defun dired-mode-hook ()
(dired-hide-details-mode 1)
(local-set-key "@" 'dired-hide-details-mode))
In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.5 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.20.1)
of 2013-11-04 on debian-6.05
Bzr revision: 114933 monnier@iro.umontreal.ca-20131104042959-sy10svhxghg2z9ei
Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.10707000
System Description: Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.5 (squeeze)
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread* bug#15799: 24.3.50; dired-hide-details-mode: Provide default key binding 2013-11-04 8:09 bug#15799: 24.3.50; dired-hide-details-mode: Provide default key binding Jambunathan K @ 2013-11-04 14:06 ` Stefan Monnier 2013-11-04 14:32 ` Drew Adams 2013-11-15 5:15 ` Jambunathan K 1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Stefan Monnier @ 2013-11-04 14:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jambunathan K; +Cc: 15799 severity 15799 wishlist thanks > All my dired buffers, hide the details by default (See below). I > propose "@" as a key for toggling the details. I wouldn't mind, but since I don't myself use dired much, I'd like to hear what actual users think about it. Also, wouldn't it make sense to try and bring hide-details "closer" to the dired-omit facilities? Stefan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* bug#15799: 24.3.50; dired-hide-details-mode: Provide default key binding 2013-11-04 14:06 ` Stefan Monnier @ 2013-11-04 14:32 ` Drew Adams 2013-11-04 16:35 ` Stefan Monnier 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Drew Adams @ 2013-11-04 14:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Stefan Monnier, Jambunathan K; +Cc: 15799 > > All my dired buffers, hide the details by default (See below). I > > propose "@" as a key for toggling the details. See bug #14940, which provides a patch with a much better solution. > I wouldn't mind, but since I don't myself use dired much, I'd like > to hear what actual users think about it. See bug #14940. See also bug #14914. See also Dired+ http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs-en/download/dired%2b.el > Also, wouldn't it make sense to try and bring hide-details > "closer" to the dired-omit facilities? Definitely not. No relation. Completely different uses. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* bug#15799: 24.3.50; dired-hide-details-mode: Provide default key binding 2013-11-04 14:32 ` Drew Adams @ 2013-11-04 16:35 ` Stefan Monnier 2013-11-04 17:35 ` bug#14914: " Drew Adams 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Stefan Monnier @ 2013-11-04 16:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Drew Adams; +Cc: 15799, Jambunathan K > See bug #14940. See also bug #14914. Thanks. For #14914, there's no doubt for me that we should use a "[✓] Hide details" menu entry. >> Also, wouldn't it make sense to try and bring hide-details >> "closer" to the dired-omit facilities? > Definitely not. No relation. Completely different uses. Of course, they're different, but I assume the @ was chosen because it's also used for things like outline-minor-mode, i.e. for other features that hide parts of the buffer. So, maybe @ should be a prefix key for "hiding stuff", in which we can place key bindings for "omit" and for "details". Stefan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* bug#14914: bug#15799: 24.3.50; dired-hide-details-mode: Provide default key binding 2013-11-04 16:35 ` Stefan Monnier @ 2013-11-04 17:35 ` Drew Adams 2013-11-06 7:31 ` Jambunathan K 2020-10-28 8:41 ` Stefan Kangas 0 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Drew Adams @ 2013-11-04 17:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: 15799, 14914, Jambunathan K > Thanks. For #14914, there's no doubt for me that we should use > a "[✓] Hide details" menu entry. Sounds good to me (except it should be title case: `Hide Details'). > >> Also, wouldn't it make sense to try and bring hide-details > >> "closer" to the dired-omit facilities? > > > > Definitely not. No relation. Completely different uses. > > Of course, they're different, but I assume the @ was chosen because > it's also used for things like outline-minor-mode, i.e. for other > features that hide parts of the buffer. `@' was proposed by Jambunathan, not I. I have no special objection to `@' instead of `(', however. But I'm not convinced that it is good to confuse hiding stuff in Dired with outline-minor-mode hiding. > So, maybe @ should be a prefix key for "hiding stuff", in which we > can place key bindings for "omit" and for "details". I don't object to that. As long as the two, hiding columns and hiding rows, are kept clear and separate, no problem. But there is really more to it than that. There are at least these hide/show commands in Dired: $ (`dired-hide-subdir') M-$ (`dired-hide-all') ( (`dired-hide-details-mode') M-o (`dired-omit-mode') It is good that each of these is quick, but yes, we could put them all on a prefix key. In that case, `M-o', `M-$', and `$' are also good candidates for the prefix key. We could have, for example: M-o s (`dired-hide-subdir') - `s' for subdi M-o S (`dired-hide-all') - `S' for subdirs M-o c (`dired-hide-details-mode') - `c' for columns M-o r (`dired-omit-mode') - `r' for rows No Shift key needed for them, except for the one that boosts `s'. FWIW, Dired+ adds these commands, which could also be added to the list, perhaps with these bindings: M-o m (`diredp-omit-marked') - `m' for marked M-o u (`diredp-omit-unmarked') - `u' for unmarked Here are their (trivial) definitions: (defun diredp-omit-marked () "Omit lines of marked files. Return the number of lines omitted." (interactive) (let ((old-modified-p (buffer-modified-p)) count) (when (interactive-p) (message "Omitting marked lines...")) (setq count (dired-do-kill-lines nil "Omitted %d line%s.")) (set-buffer-modified-p old-modified-p) ; So no `%*' appear in mode-line. count)) (defun diredp-omit-unmarked () "Omit lines of unmarked files. Return the number of lines omitted." (interactive) (let ((old-modified-p (buffer-modified-p)) count) (dired-toggle-marks) (message "Omitting unmarked lines...") (setq count (diredp-omit-marked)) (dired-toggle-marks) ; Marks all except `.', `..' (set-buffer-modified-p old-modified-p) ; So no `%*' appear in mode-line. count)) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* bug#14914: bug#15799: 24.3.50; dired-hide-details-mode: Provide default key binding 2013-11-04 17:35 ` bug#14914: " Drew Adams @ 2013-11-06 7:31 ` Jambunathan K 2020-10-28 8:41 ` Stefan Kangas 1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Jambunathan K @ 2013-11-06 7:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Drew Adams; +Cc: 14914, 15799 >> Of course, they're different, but I assume the @ was chosen because >> it's also used for things like outline-minor-mode, i.e. for other >> features that hide parts of the buffer. > > `@' was proposed by Jambunathan, not I. I have no special objection > to `@' instead of `(', however. I do object to '('. Partly because I am tempted to think ')' will undo whatever it's other pair did. > But there is really more to it than that. There are at least these > hide/show commands in Dired: > > $ (`dired-hide-subdir') > M-$ (`dired-hide-all') > ( (`dired-hide-details-mode') > M-o (`dired-omit-mode') > > It is good that each of these is quick, but yes, we could put them > all on a prefix key. In that case, `M-o', `M-$', and `$' are also > good candidates for the prefix key. $ is indeed better than @. Remember `$' is used in conjunction with selective display. > We could have, for example: > > M-o s (`dired-hide-subdir') - `s' for subdi > M-o S (`dired-hide-all') - `S' for subdirs > M-o c (`dired-hide-details-mode') - `c' for columns > M-o r (`dired-omit-mode') - `r' for rows I object to M-o. The verb `Omit' is generally not used. It has bad connotations. (My mom will spank me if I omitted something) Let's omit omit and stick with show or hide. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* bug#14914: bug#15799: 24.3.50; dired-hide-details-mode: Provide default key binding 2013-11-04 17:35 ` bug#14914: " Drew Adams 2013-11-06 7:31 ` Jambunathan K @ 2020-10-28 8:41 ` Stefan Kangas 1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Stefan Kangas @ 2020-10-28 8:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Drew Adams; +Cc: 14914-done Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes: >> Thanks. For #14914, there's no doubt for me that we should use >> a "[✓] Hide details" menu entry. > > Sounds good to me (except it should be title case: `Hide Details'). This is now the case on current master, so I'm closing this bug. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* bug#15799: 24.3.50; dired-hide-details-mode: Provide default key binding 2013-11-04 8:09 bug#15799: 24.3.50; dired-hide-details-mode: Provide default key binding Jambunathan K 2013-11-04 14:06 ` Stefan Monnier @ 2013-11-15 5:15 ` Jambunathan K 1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Jambunathan K @ 2013-11-15 5:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 15799-done OP here. Closed. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
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