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From: sbaugh@catern.com
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: Spencer Baugh <sbaugh@janestreet.com>, 62958@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#62958: [PATCH] Set PAGER=cat in comint.el
Date: Tue, 09 May 2023 14:55:31 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <874jol1rml.fsf@catern.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83pm7aay70.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 09 May 2023 08:08:51 +0300")

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> From: Spencer Baugh <sbaugh@janestreet.com>
>> Cc: 62958@debbugs.gnu.org
>> Date: Mon, 08 May 2023 15:38:12 -0400
>> 
>> >   Pagination is not needed, and gets in the way, when the output of
>> >   the program is directed to an Emacs buffer, so in those cases
>> >   pagination should be disabled.  To disable pagination, this
>> >   variable's value should be a string that names a program, such
>> >   as \"cat\", which passes through all of the output without any
>> >   filtering or delays.  Comint will then set the PAGER variable
>> >   to name that program, when it invokes external programs."
>> 
>> I think it's worth noting the fact that there are programs which depend
>> on pagination for their normal functionality.  How about this short
>> additional paragraph added after your text:
>> 
>> "Disabling pagination means programs will produce their entire output
>> immediately.  If only part of the output is useful, this can be
>> wasteful.  For some programs, this can be avoided by using commands (for
>> example, `vc-print-log') which run the program, limit the output it
>> produces, and let the user interactively browse the output inside
>> Emacs."
>
> Sorry, I don't understand: why would it matter that a program produces
> its output immediately when that output is redirected to an Emacs
> buffer?  Whatever the amount of output, the user can always page
> through it interactively and conveniently using the normal movement
> commands, no?  What am I missing?

If the command produces a lot of output it can take a long time to run
and slow down Emacs.

For example, if a user disables pagination, runs M-x shell, and then
runs "git log" in the Emacs repo, it takes ~3.5 minutes to run and
produces ~1.5 million lines.  Even if all they want is to see the 10
most recent commits.  There are several negative effects of this, in
decreasing order of importance:

- The shell buffer now has way more output, which slows down navigation
and operations on that buffer forever after, including font lock.
- The user's shell is blocked during that whole time, preventing further
shell commands.
- git log producing unnecessary output wastes CPU and IO.

If "git log" is run with a pager, it can complete as soon as the user
exits the pager, and it only produces a few lines.





  reply	other threads:[~2023-05-09 14:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-04-19 21:57 bug#62958: [PATCH] Set PAGER=cat in comint.el Spencer Baugh
2023-04-20  6:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-20 15:47   ` Spencer Baugh
2023-04-20 15:56     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-20 16:01       ` Spencer Baugh
2023-05-05  6:35         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-08 19:38           ` Spencer Baugh
2023-05-09  5:08             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-09 14:55               ` sbaugh [this message]
2023-05-09 15:46                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-09 16:30                   ` Spencer Baugh
2023-05-09 16:43                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-09 16:53                       ` Spencer Baugh
2023-05-09 16:59                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-09 17:01                           ` Spencer Baugh
2023-05-09 17:05                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-09 17:13                               ` Spencer Baugh
2023-05-09 18:58                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-16 19:49                                   ` Spencer Baugh
2023-05-17 11:32                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-17 14:55                                       ` Spencer Baugh
2023-05-19  6:09                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-26 11:31                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-09 17:03                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-10 16:39                 ` Juri Linkov
2023-05-10 16:59                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-10 18:13                   ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-12 17:49                     ` Juri Linkov
2023-05-12 22:21                       ` Gregory Heytings
2023-04-26  7:54   ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-04-26  9:15     ` Eli Zaretskii

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