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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at>
Cc: 50256@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, juri@linkov.net
Subject: bug#50256: thing-at-mouse
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2021 14:06:22 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83v93hyl3l.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <bc910b9b-dbfc-b797-fe2f-8129d8f3c942@gmx.at> (message from martin rudalics on Fri, 3 Sep 2021 09:40:36 +0200)

> Cc: 50256@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org
> From: martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at>
> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2021 09:40:36 +0200
> 
> If in the manual we say "The argument POSITION defaults to the current
> position of point in WINDOW", this means that the window should win.
> Whether that's reasonable is another question.  Note that a similar
> disputable case already happens when we do
> 
> (pos-visible-in-window-p nil (next-window) t)
> 
> and the next window does not show the current buffer.  We there silently
> override the "nil" with WINDOW's point.  Maybe we should signal an error
> in either of these cases when WINDOW's buffer is not the current buffer.
> 
> IIUC we use `pos-visible-in-window-p' mainly for three purposes:
> 
> (1) Detect whether a buffer position that typically does _not_ equal
>      window point is visible in window and, if it isn't, do something
>      (scroll, enlarge the window) to make it visible.
> 
> (2) Detect whether window point is only partially visible.
> 
> (3) Get the coordinates of window point and move the mouse or pop up a
>      menu there.
> 
> In all these cases, callers simply don't care about which buffer is
> current when calling the function - the buffer in question is WINDOW's
> buffer.
> 
> A different use were to check whether a position of an arbitrary BUFFER
> would be visible in a WINDOW if BUFFER were displayed there with the
> start of the window set to some valid BUFFER position.  I don't know
> whether anyone ever used such a functionality.  To make it work, a
> caller would have to set WINDOW's buffer and start position first, call
> `pos-visible-in-window-p' and restore the original state afterwards.
> Even in this hypothetical case, the caller wouldn't care about which
> buffer is current.

Thanks.  There's one more use case I can think of: when WINDOW is not
a selected one, but its buffer is also displayed in the selected
window, which could mean its point is different from WINDOW's point.

Anyway, after thinking for some time about this, I concluded that the
only sane way forward, especially since we are going to cut the
emacs-28 branch soon, is to leave the default behavior of
pos-visible-in-window-p and posn-at-point as it is today, and add one
more optional argument to force the possible alternative behavior(s).
The proposed change to event-start and event-end are new code, so they
should have no trouble passing this new optional argument to
posn-at-point.

That means to add an argument to pos-visible-in-window-p that would
cause it to select one of the following 3 alternatives: WINDOW's
point, WINDOW's buffer's point, and (in case WINDOW is the selected
window) the current buffer's point.  The default should stay as it is
today: when WINDOW is the selected window, use the current buffer's
point.

Anything else IMNSHO risks introducing many bugs into existing
well-tested code that we will never be able to discover and fix in
time for Emacs 28.1 release.





  reply	other threads:[~2021-09-03 11:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-08-29 17:21 bug#50256: thing-at-mouse Juri Linkov
2021-08-29 20:03 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-08-30  7:20   ` Juri Linkov
2021-08-31  0:04     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-08-31  6:49       ` Juri Linkov
2021-08-31 17:52         ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-01  7:17           ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-01  7:43             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-01  9:18             ` martin rudalics
2021-09-01 12:16               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-01 14:25                 ` martin rudalics
2021-09-01 15:59                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-01 16:21                     ` martin rudalics
2021-09-01 17:54                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-01 17:59                         ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-01 19:23                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-02  6:16                             ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-02  7:21                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-02  7:23                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-02  7:34                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-02  6:48                         ` martin rudalics
2021-09-02  7:30                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-02  7:32                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-02  7:46                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-02  8:54                                 ` martin rudalics
2021-09-02  9:02                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-02 12:42                                     ` martin rudalics
2021-09-02 13:13                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-02 14:43                                         ` martin rudalics
2021-09-02 15:58                                           ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-02 18:28                                             ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-02 18:41                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-03  7:40                                                 ` martin rudalics
2021-09-03 11:06                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2021-09-04  7:34                                                     ` martin rudalics
2021-09-04  8:02                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-04 11:10                                                         ` martin rudalics
2021-09-04 11:35                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-04 18:58                                                             ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-05  7:50                                                               ` martin rudalics
2021-09-05  7:50                                                             ` martin rudalics
2021-09-05  9:24                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-05  9:39                                                                 ` martin rudalics
2021-09-05  9:42                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-06  8:31                                                                     ` martin rudalics
2021-09-05 16:13                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-05 16:47                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-06  8:31                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2021-09-06 10:57                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-06 14:08                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2021-09-06 15:43                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-06 15:10                                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-12 16:32                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-02 18:46                                               ` martin rudalics
2021-09-03  8:10                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-02 15:59                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-01 15:42               ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-01 19:26                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-01 12:02             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-01 15:44               ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-01 16:12                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-01 16:25                   ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-12 17:12         ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-12 17:32       ` Juri Linkov

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