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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Ulrich Mueller <ulm@gentoo.org>
Cc: jporterbugs@gmail.com, eggert@cs.ucla.edu, stefan@marxist.se,
	51327@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#51327: 28.0.60; emacsclient warns about XDG_RUNTIME_DIR when starting daemon on-demand
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2021 09:32:00 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83r1amutcf.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ubl1qlq0n@gentoo.org> (message from Ulrich Mueller on Wed, 08 Dec 2021 22:56:24 +0100)

> From: Ulrich Mueller <ulm@gentoo.org>
> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,  Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>,
>   jporterbugs@gmail.com,  51327@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2021 22:56:24 +0100
> 
> >> If it's a new command-line argument, and if the participants in this
> >> discussion can live with it as the solution for this problem, I'm okay
> >> with having it on emacs-28.
> 
> That's not an acceptable solution, because it will break the existing
> workflow of users. Furthermore, it will make users jump through hoops to
> achieve functionality which was the default in previous versions.
> 
> So, can we please think about a better solution, and not knee-jerk
> something half-baked into Emacs 28, like checking for yet another
> environment variable?
> 
> Even reverting to the Emacs 27 behaviour would be better than what has
> been suggested above: In Emacs 27, you can set EMACS_SOCKET_NAME to make
> things work. There's no advantage in introducing yet another variable,
> which would only complicate things.

If you guys can arrive at something that you-all can live with, we can
make some progress, maybe even for Emacs 28.  But if everyone will
just keep saying that any solution except the one he/she suggested is
unacceptable, we have a stalemate, and that's not good for anyone.

So my suggestion to all the participants is to abandon the dogmas and
try to find a compromise which will be acceptable.  Bonus points for
finding a compromise that is simple enough to fix this on the release
branch.





  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-12-09  7:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-10-22  4:58 bug#51327: 28.0.60; emacsclient warns about XDG_RUNTIME_DIR when starting daemon on-demand Jim Porter
2021-10-30 19:37 ` Jim Porter
2021-10-30 22:33   ` Paul Eggert
2021-12-07 11:26     ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-07 14:27       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-07 14:58         ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-07 19:03           ` Paul Eggert
2021-12-08  6:57             ` Jim Porter
2021-12-08 19:06               ` Paul Eggert
2021-12-08 19:16                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-08 20:23                   ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-08 21:56                     ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-12-08 22:56                       ` Jim Porter
2021-12-08 23:44                       ` Paul Eggert
2021-12-09  0:19                         ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-12-09  7:32                       ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2021-12-09  7:44                         ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-12-09 17:12                           ` Paul Eggert
2021-12-09 18:34                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-09 19:45                               ` Jim Porter
2021-12-09 19:48                               ` Paul Eggert
2021-12-09 19:57                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-09 20:04                                   ` Paul Eggert
2022-09-10  5:01                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-09-10  5:53                                       ` Paul Eggert via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2021-12-09  4:10             ` Richard Stallman
2021-11-05 10:38 ` bug#51327: 28.0.60; emacsclient warns about XDG_RUNTIME_DIR when starting daemon on demand Ulrich Mueller
2021-11-05 17:54   ` Jim Porter
2021-11-05 18:05     ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-11-05 18:38       ` Jim Porter
2021-11-05 19:02         ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-11-11 13:04           ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-11-11 17:06             ` Jim Porter
2021-11-12  2:21               ` Paul Eggert
2021-12-07 14:58   ` Stefan Kangas

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