From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#51327: 28.0.60; emacsclient warns about XDG_RUNTIME_DIR when starting daemon on-demand Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2021 09:32:00 +0200 Message-ID: <83r1amutcf.fsf@gnu.org> References: <53706fa9-1458-fb5c-bd31-15ab555b59e9@gmail.com> <834k7kze0z.fsf@gnu.org> <212e4974-785a-65e0-70cc-fed7ea3ddacf@cs.ucla.edu> <3107b151-c56b-7c8d-7277-cbc39273a401@gmail.com> <835yryx5yf.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="18571"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: jporterbugs@gmail.com, eggert@cs.ucla.edu, stefan@marxist.se, 51327@debbugs.gnu.org To: Ulrich Mueller Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 09 08:34:57 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mvDxA-0004aM-9z for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2021 08:34:56 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35940 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mvDx9-0004qh-AA for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2021 02:34:55 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:41048) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mvDvM-00048h-2E for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2021 02:33:05 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:58983) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mvDvJ-0000tP-TN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2021 02:33:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mvDvJ-0005yt-PT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2021 02:33:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2021 07:33:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 51327 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: security patch Original-Received: via spool by 51327-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B51327.163903514622941 (code B ref 51327); Thu, 09 Dec 2021 07:33:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 51327) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Dec 2021 07:32:26 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42296 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mvDuk-0005xx-7m for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2021 02:32:26 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39144) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mvDui-0005xk-OA for 51327@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2021 02:32:25 -0500 Original-Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=33132 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mvDub-0000nV-4F; Thu, 09 Dec 2021 02:32:17 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=4E63fRMKsQNV9o4pb/08uzCA2ASKXRg3yCadJzXNXg0=; b=ko9FXdWepn9h lMi2cO2+GPGz3sacqX+fyoKraXOtkUbadT3w8YK+y/Ko6uIcaRXgaesmNVxXb3IvNXPch6vWqvIEF WtBkbqBz/ofDzES0Kw/8Dd3kRLTKRDlxLHIEOBIV5c+qr+lYyHcdM0ZzNCtQ5Olpwu+3f9eVDpdOf FkS0+aN2NIB74xNv0vIcsk76sidmzoLe/PXDRH1wRxtmcGhPIeSs4RX8DqFMiRYhDNBirJlewQIXT TCYlQ0jT3hmQJx4PxQZQIXZJB0AKstk5KMILnA8JiIHuYKdHHHR4nS36YdBaBko+7fBktsxqZm0bh weJ6VhVmm+1pPnFCrG2VAA==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=1658 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mvDua-0006F8-PC; Thu, 09 Dec 2021 02:32:17 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Ulrich Mueller on Wed, 08 Dec 2021 22:56:24 +0100) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:221981 Archived-At: > From: Ulrich Mueller > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Paul Eggert , > jporterbugs@gmail.com, 51327@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2021 22:56:24 +0100 > > >> If it's a new command-line argument, and if the participants in this > >> discussion can live with it as the solution for this problem, I'm okay > >> with having it on emacs-28. > > That's not an acceptable solution, because it will break the existing > workflow of users. Furthermore, it will make users jump through hoops to > achieve functionality which was the default in previous versions. > > So, can we please think about a better solution, and not knee-jerk > something half-baked into Emacs 28, like checking for yet another > environment variable? > > Even reverting to the Emacs 27 behaviour would be better than what has > been suggested above: In Emacs 27, you can set EMACS_SOCKET_NAME to make > things work. There's no advantage in introducing yet another variable, > which would only complicate things. If you guys can arrive at something that you-all can live with, we can make some progress, maybe even for Emacs 28. But if everyone will just keep saying that any solution except the one he/she suggested is unacceptable, we have a stalemate, and that's not good for anyone. So my suggestion to all the participants is to abandon the dogmas and try to find a compromise which will be acceptable. Bonus points for finding a compromise that is simple enough to fix this on the release branch.