From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: "Óscar Fuentes" <ofv@wanadoo.es>
Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, 61337@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#61337: 29.0.60; Setting frame-title-format makes Emacs to steal focus
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2023 18:50:13 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83mt5mlr5m.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87cz6ivmmz.fsf@telefonica.net> (message from Óscar Fuentes on Thu, 09 Feb 2023 17:17:40 +0100)
> From: Óscar Fuentes <ofv@wanadoo.es>
> Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, 61337@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2023 17:17:40 +0100
>
> > You mean, you rely on the focus not to change while Emacs's desktop is
> > not shown? But if some idle timer causes Emacs to raise a frame, you
> > will also see Emacs with focus when you switch desktops, right?
> >
> > I'm not sure I understand the basis for this expectation. I'd
> > certainly not even remember in which state I left the applications
> > before switching away, and will look first when I switch back.
>
> Sure, but on this case you will see that Konsole's window is covering
> Emacs' (if Emacs' window is visible at all), so you assume that Konsole
> has the focus. For avoiding that you must take care of looking at some
> place that indicates which window has or has not focus (usually the
> window's title bar) noticing that Konsole has no focus, and perform an
> action to either give focus to Konsole or bring Emacs' window to the
> front.
Of course. But this need to make sure the window which has input
focus is the one you think it is, is something routine in a windowed
environment, IME.
> > because applications can request focus for any number of reasons.
> >
> > So I'm surprised that the fact that Emacs gets focus without your
> > knowing is regarded as a problem at all.
>
> Focus stealing is widely regarded as a very rude action.
Happens to me all the time, and at least sometimes for good reasons:
for example, if a program pops up an abort dialog, it is completely
reasonable for it to steal focus. Similarly any other event that
requires an immediate attention from the user.
> Certainly, just switching destktops is not one good reason for stealing
> the focus.
Once again, you assume that nothing happened except switching
desktops, but that assumption doesn't have a very solid basis.
But I guess we will need to agree to disagree here.
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Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-02-07 5:07 bug#61337: 29.0.60; Setting frame-title-format makes Emacs to steal focus Oscar Fuentes
2023-02-07 14:15 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-07 15:29 ` Óscar Fuentes
2023-02-08 1:16 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-08 2:45 ` Óscar Fuentes
2023-02-08 3:59 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-08 4:15 ` Óscar Fuentes
2023-02-08 4:48 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-08 15:24 ` Óscar Fuentes
2023-02-09 2:20 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-09 3:17 ` Óscar Fuentes
2023-02-09 8:15 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-09 8:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-09 10:23 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-09 11:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-09 14:16 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-09 15:32 ` Óscar Fuentes
2023-02-09 15:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-09 16:17 ` Óscar Fuentes
2023-02-09 16:50 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2023-02-10 2:15 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-10 5:07 ` Óscar Fuentes
2023-02-10 7:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-10 1:59 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-10 4:56 ` Óscar Fuentes
2023-02-13 16:02 ` Óscar Fuentes
2023-02-14 2:02 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
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