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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: 24510@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#24510: 25.1; Info: searching for ` does not find what looks like `
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 09:54:54 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83d1jvds1t.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7f9c8f95-a04d-4e94-9c17-8a348bf89215@default> (message from Drew Adams on Thu, 22 Sep 2016 12:58:49 -0700 (PDT))

> Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 12:58:49 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
> Cc: 24510@debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> > But if 2 characters from 2 different fonts look the same on your
> > system, I think you should customize the Info faces to countermand
> > that.  I don't see any other solution.
> 
> Again, this is emacs -Q.

That doesn't matter, since Emacs doesn't control the fonts installed
on the user's system, much less how they look.  Like I said: if some
user cannot distinguish between these characters, I see no other
solution for the problem except font customizations, since only the
user on her system can DTRT with the fonts that are available.

> The chars look quite different with my own setup - this is not a
> problem for me, personally.

Then what exactly is the nature of the problem you raise?  Is it a
hypothetical issue that _might_ happen on someone's machine, even
though none of us, including yourself, have actually witnessed it?

> > It might, if you turn on character-folding in Isearch.
> > Unfortunately, that is off by default.
> 
> I did mention that this is what a user sees by DEFAULT, no?

Weren't you one of those who lobbied for turning the character-folding
off by default?  If it were not for that lobbying, your search would
have succeeded.

> > Emacs doesn't provide any fonts.  Your system does.  On my system,
> > these two characters look different, even with my old weary eyes.
> 
> They look slightly different, yes.  Barely noticeable when you
> see them side by side (see screenshot).

The look quite different to me (my system uses the same font), so I
guess we will have to agree to disagree about that.

> If you do not want to accept that this is an obvious gotcha, fine.
> Perhaps you will hear from other users about this; perhaps not.
> 
> > > Hard to believe this annoyance has gotten as far as it has (release
> > > 25.1).  Did no one try searching our manuals using Emacs -Q?
> > 
> > We did.  It works for me.
> 
> If it works for you then that's all we can hope for, I guess.

I'm not dismissing the problem.  I'm saying that I don't see a
solution except through user customizations.  Searching for similarly
looking characters is not specific to Info, it can happen elsewhere.
Users who bump into that frequently should customize their fonts
and/or turn on character-folding in search commands.





  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-09-23  6:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-09-22 17:04 bug#24510: 25.1; Info: searching for ` does not find what looks like ` Drew Adams
2016-09-22 18:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-09-22 19:58   ` Drew Adams
2016-09-22 20:41     ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-09-22 21:16       ` Drew Adams
2016-09-23  6:54     ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2016-09-22 20:02 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-09-22 22:10 ` Noam Postavsky
2016-09-22 22:27   ` Drew Adams
2022-04-28 10:48 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-04-28 16:12   ` Drew Adams
2022-04-28 17:38   ` Juri Linkov
2022-04-28 18:15     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-04-28 19:00       ` Drew Adams
2022-04-29  6:51       ` Juri Linkov
2022-04-29 10:08         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-04-29 15:06           ` Drew Adams
2022-04-29 17:17           ` Juri Linkov
2022-04-30 11:45             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-05-01 17:11               ` Juri Linkov
2022-05-01 18:58                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-05-02 16:12                   ` Juri Linkov
2022-05-03 10:33                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-05-03 14:58                       ` Drew Adams
2022-05-03 17:29                       ` Juri Linkov
2022-05-03 18:05                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-05-03 19:26                           ` Drew Adams
2022-05-05 16:20                           ` Juri Linkov
2022-05-05 16:44                             ` Drew Adams
2022-05-06 23:20                               ` Richard Stallman
2022-05-06 11:30                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-05-06 14:40                               ` Drew Adams
2022-05-06 15:32                               ` Juri Linkov
2022-05-06 17:57                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-05-03 19:23                         ` Drew Adams
2022-04-29 15:01         ` Drew Adams
2022-04-28 18:58     ` Drew Adams
     [not found] <<6905ca6f-0573-4a2b-b346-d5df47862e09@default>
     [not found] ` <<83intneq2g.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]   ` <<7f9c8f95-a04d-4e94-9c17-8a348bf89215@default>
     [not found]     ` <<83d1jvds1t.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-09-23 16:02       ` Drew Adams
2016-09-23 17:48         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-09-23 20:07           ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-09-24  7:28             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-09-24 16:30               ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-09-24 17:08                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-09-24 17:24                   ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-09-24 17:57                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-09-24 18:14                       ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-09-24 18:34                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-09-24 18:40                           ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-09-24 19:16                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-09-24 18:14                 ` Drew Adams
     [not found] <<<6905ca6f-0573-4a2b-b346-d5df47862e09@default>
     [not found] ` <<<83intneq2g.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]   ` <<<7f9c8f95-a04d-4e94-9c17-8a348bf89215@default>
     [not found]     ` <<<83d1jvds1t.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]       ` <<c5f5356e-222a-48b0-9b80-dd242f982cec@default>
     [not found]         ` <<83mviycxse.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-09-23 21:47           ` Drew Adams
2016-09-24  7:31             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-09-25  8:07               ` Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희,  黃炳熙)

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