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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
Cc: "24510@debbugs.gnu.org" <24510@debbugs.gnu.org>
Subject: bug#24510: 25.1; Info: searching for ` does not find what looks like `
Date: Tue, 3 May 2022 19:23:42 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <SJ0PR10MB54886C7BE34C83E8057FAC7FF3C09@SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <86leviilvy.fsf@mail.linkov.net>

> >> I thought that by default Isearch always should be literal,
> >> so the user could search only for plain ', and not to match
> >> its fancy variants.
> >
> > No, I want the default Isearch to fold `' with the fancy variants in
> > these modes.  :-)
> 
> So the users will have no way to search for ' literally?

No; see my other msgs in the thread about this.
Users _absolutely_ need the ability to search
for ` and ', as well as to search for ` and left
curly, and ' and right curly.

This is the problem.  We need to give them ways
to do everything, easily, and we need to provide
reasonable default behavior.  I agreed with you
that by default Isearch in Info and Help should
_not_ fold such confusables.  But users need to
know that they can easily do that (e.g. a key).

And we should I think come up with reasonable
ways to help with some feedback when Emacs can
guess that maybe the user meant to get folded
behavior but didn't, e.g., looked for ` and
didn't find any occurrences.  Such feedback
from guessing needs to be optional - it must
not be in-your-face and annoy.

> Or maybe better to add a new Isearch mode that char-folds only `'

I suggested having an Isearch _key_ (a toggle),
not a mode, for just that, as opposed to the
more drastic full char-folding.  And I suggested
having an option to configure the confusables
to fold.

> and enable it only in Help buffers?

No, I think that any such behavior should be
configurable, e.g. by an option that lists the
modes or buffer-name regexps, to define where
to apply it.
___

There are lots of possibilities for trying
to deal with all of this, and I don't have a
perfect solution (there isn't any, I
suspect).  It's worth brainstorming etc.
___

Even if we didn't have the catastrophe of the
imposition everywhere of curly quotes, we'd
have this problem (only __much__ less so) of
optionally folding confusables.  It merits
some reflection and discussion - better on
emacs-devel than here, I think.







  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-05-03 19:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-09-22 17:04 bug#24510: 25.1; Info: searching for ` does not find what looks like ` Drew Adams
2016-09-22 18:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-09-22 19:58   ` Drew Adams
2016-09-22 20:41     ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-09-22 21:16       ` Drew Adams
2016-09-23  6:54     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-09-22 20:02 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-09-22 22:10 ` Noam Postavsky
2016-09-22 22:27   ` Drew Adams
2022-04-28 10:48 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-04-28 16:12   ` Drew Adams
2022-04-28 17:38   ` Juri Linkov
2022-04-28 18:15     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-04-28 19:00       ` Drew Adams
2022-04-29  6:51       ` Juri Linkov
2022-04-29 10:08         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-04-29 15:06           ` Drew Adams
2022-04-29 17:17           ` Juri Linkov
2022-04-30 11:45             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-05-01 17:11               ` Juri Linkov
2022-05-01 18:58                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-05-02 16:12                   ` Juri Linkov
2022-05-03 10:33                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-05-03 14:58                       ` Drew Adams
2022-05-03 17:29                       ` Juri Linkov
2022-05-03 18:05                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-05-03 19:26                           ` Drew Adams
2022-05-05 16:20                           ` Juri Linkov
2022-05-05 16:44                             ` Drew Adams
2022-05-06 23:20                               ` Richard Stallman
2022-05-06 11:30                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-05-06 14:40                               ` Drew Adams
2022-05-06 15:32                               ` Juri Linkov
2022-05-06 17:57                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-05-03 19:23                         ` Drew Adams [this message]
2022-04-29 15:01         ` Drew Adams
2022-04-28 18:58     ` Drew Adams
     [not found] <<6905ca6f-0573-4a2b-b346-d5df47862e09@default>
     [not found] ` <<83intneq2g.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]   ` <<7f9c8f95-a04d-4e94-9c17-8a348bf89215@default>
     [not found]     ` <<83d1jvds1t.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-09-23 16:02       ` Drew Adams
2016-09-23 17:48         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-09-23 20:07           ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-09-24  7:28             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-09-24 16:30               ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-09-24 17:08                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-09-24 17:24                   ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-09-24 17:57                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-09-24 18:14                       ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-09-24 18:34                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-09-24 18:40                           ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-09-24 19:16                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-09-24 18:14                 ` Drew Adams
     [not found] <<<6905ca6f-0573-4a2b-b346-d5df47862e09@default>
     [not found] ` <<<83intneq2g.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]   ` <<<7f9c8f95-a04d-4e94-9c17-8a348bf89215@default>
     [not found]     ` <<<83d1jvds1t.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]       ` <<c5f5356e-222a-48b0-9b80-dd242f982cec@default>
     [not found]         ` <<83mviycxse.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-09-23 21:47           ` Drew Adams
2016-09-24  7:31             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-09-25  8:07               ` Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희,  黃炳熙)

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