From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#24510: 25.1; Info: searching for ` does not find what looks like ` Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 09:54:54 +0300 Message-ID: <83d1jvds1t.fsf@gnu.org> References: <6905ca6f-0573-4a2b-b346-d5df47862e09@default> <83intneq2g.fsf@gnu.org> <7f9c8f95-a04d-4e94-9c17-8a348bf89215@default> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1474613727 1039 195.159.176.226 (23 Sep 2016 06:55:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 06:55:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 24510@debbugs.gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 23 08:55:23 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bnKOA-0006wf-LD for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2016 08:55:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41442 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bnKO8-0006vm-UU for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2016 02:55:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55935) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bnKO2-0006rp-Vz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2016 02:55:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bnKNy-0007Fw-0q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2016 02:55:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:55024) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bnKNx-0007Fs-U0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2016 02:55:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bnKNx-0004OQ-MM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2016 02:55:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 06:55:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 24510 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 24510-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B24510.147461367916854 (code B ref 24510); Fri, 23 Sep 2016 06:55:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 24510) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Sep 2016 06:54:39 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32981 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bnKNb-0004Nl-Ah for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2016 02:54:39 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:36669) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bnKNZ-0004NZ-RF for 24510@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2016 02:54:38 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bnKNR-0007Aa-C8 for 24510@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2016 02:54:32 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:42469) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bnKNR-0007AE-8f; Fri, 23 Sep 2016 02:54:29 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2601 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bnKNP-000111-I4; Fri, 23 Sep 2016 02:54:27 -0400 In-reply-to: <7f9c8f95-a04d-4e94-9c17-8a348bf89215@default> (message from Drew Adams on Thu, 22 Sep 2016 12:58:49 -0700 (PDT)) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:123580 Archived-At: > Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 12:58:49 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: 24510@debbugs.gnu.org > > > But if 2 characters from 2 different fonts look the same on your > > system, I think you should customize the Info faces to countermand > > that. I don't see any other solution. > > Again, this is emacs -Q. That doesn't matter, since Emacs doesn't control the fonts installed on the user's system, much less how they look. Like I said: if some user cannot distinguish between these characters, I see no other solution for the problem except font customizations, since only the user on her system can DTRT with the fonts that are available. > The chars look quite different with my own setup - this is not a > problem for me, personally. Then what exactly is the nature of the problem you raise? Is it a hypothetical issue that _might_ happen on someone's machine, even though none of us, including yourself, have actually witnessed it? > > It might, if you turn on character-folding in Isearch. > > Unfortunately, that is off by default. > > I did mention that this is what a user sees by DEFAULT, no? Weren't you one of those who lobbied for turning the character-folding off by default? If it were not for that lobbying, your search would have succeeded. > > Emacs doesn't provide any fonts. Your system does. On my system, > > these two characters look different, even with my old weary eyes. > > They look slightly different, yes. Barely noticeable when you > see them side by side (see screenshot). The look quite different to me (my system uses the same font), so I guess we will have to agree to disagree about that. > If you do not want to accept that this is an obvious gotcha, fine. > Perhaps you will hear from other users about this; perhaps not. > > > > Hard to believe this annoyance has gotten as far as it has (release > > > 25.1). Did no one try searching our manuals using Emacs -Q? > > > > We did. It works for me. > > If it works for you then that's all we can hope for, I guess. I'm not dismissing the problem. I'm saying that I don't see a solution except through user customizations. Searching for similarly looking characters is not specific to Info, it can happen elsewhere. Users who bump into that frequently should customize their fonts and/or turn on character-folding in search commands.