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From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: "'Stefan Monnier'" <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA>,
	"'Dani Moncayo'" <dmoncayo@gmail.com>
Cc: 12443@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#12443: 24.2.50; Default values in the minibuffer prompt (fix inconsisntecy)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 09:39:10 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6DE0F5273298453C9EF24A012F8DBC17@us.oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvy5kchakk.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>

> > I see no reason for this inconsistency,
> 
> Agreed.  The officially sanctioned behavior is to use "(default ...)".

> > neither I see the need for the "default " part.
> 
> That would make the job of minibuffer-electric-default-mode harder
> (more false positives).

No offense to Miles or anyone else, but that mode is just a workaround for the
bother introduced by Emacs adding `(default ...)' here and there (but not yet
everywhere).  Just get rid of the cause, instead of sticking a band-aid on the
wound.

> > So, hereby I propose to fix this, i.e., to omit the "default " in
> > those commands where this is currently shown.
> 
> I find the "(default ...)" text to use up too much space for 
> my own taste, so I use the patch below to rewrite it on-the-fly
> to "[...]".

Just get rid of "(default ...)" altogether.  A user can use `M-n' to see the
default value, and `M-n RET' instead of `RET' to choose it.  No big deal, and a
lot less noise.

---

Or do as I do in Icicles: give users the choice, across all minibuffer prompts.
They have an option, with these possible values:

nil               - Do not insert default value
                    or add it to prompt.
t                 - Add default value to prompt
                    (except for `read-file-name' and
                    `read-from-minibuffer').
                    Do not insert it.
`insert-start'    - Insert default value
                    and leave cursor at start.
`insert-end'      - Insert default value
                    and leave cursor at end.
`preselect-start' - Insert and preselect default value;
                    leave cursor at beginning.
`preselect-end'   - Insert and preselect default value;
                    leave cursor at end.

The default value of the option is `t' (mainly to be closer to what people are
used to in vanilla Emacs).  But what I am suggesting for Emacs is the `nil'
behavior as default: do nothing with the default value.  (Personally, I use
`insert-end'.)






  reply	other threads:[~2012-09-14 16:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-09-14 13:53 bug#12443: 24.2.50; Default values in the minibuffer prompt (fix inconsisntecy) Dani Moncayo
2012-09-14 15:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-09-14 16:39   ` Drew Adams [this message]
2012-09-14 19:17     ` Dani Moncayo
2012-09-14 19:10   ` Dani Moncayo
2012-09-14 19:41     ` Stefan Monnier
2012-09-14 20:42       ` Dani Moncayo
2012-09-14 20:50         ` Jambunathan K
2012-09-14 20:55           ` Drew Adams
2012-09-14 22:47         ` Juri Linkov
2020-08-25 12:30           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-25 12:55             ` Stefan Kangas
2020-08-25 13:45               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-25 15:19               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-25 15:34                 ` Drew Adams
2020-08-25 16:19                 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-08-25 18:23                 ` Juri Linkov
2020-08-25 19:12                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-25 20:00                   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-26 12:10                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-27 18:48                       ` Juri Linkov
2020-08-28 14:11                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-28 15:21                           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-30 13:16                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-06 15:02                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-06 17:46                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-06 18:10                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-06 18:49                                 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-06 20:18                                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-09-06 20:38                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-06 20:42                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-06 21:55                                         ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-09-06 21:57                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-06 21:50                                       ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-09-06 21:56                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-07 18:46                                 ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-07 19:27                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-08 18:32                                     ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-08 20:37                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-09 18:50                                         ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-10 13:14                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-11  9:11                                             ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-09-11 12:53                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-14  8:40                                                 ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-09-14 11:15                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-13  2:31                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-12 19:04                                             ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-13  8:53                                               ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-13 14:30                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-13 13:00                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-07 20:11                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-01-17 19:05                               ` bug#12443: 24.2.50; Default values in the minibuffer prompt (fix Basil L. Contovounesios
2021-01-18 16:40                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-01-18 18:06                                   ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2020-08-28 14:13                         ` bug#12443: 24.2.50; Default values in the minibuffer prompt (fix inconsisntecy) Lars Ingebrigtsen

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