bug#27539: suggestion for download page

bug#27539: suggestion for download page

[lorenzo.adyns]

Hello,

I thought it could be helpful to point out that as of "windows 
10 Anniversary Update" it is possible to install "bash on ubuntu on 
windows"

explanation: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/commandline/wsl/about

So it's possible to run the native Linux emacs within windows, maybe 
this could be a helpful addition to the windows download page

regards,
Lorenzo

bug#27539: suggestion for download page

[Richard Stallman]

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  > So it's possible to run the native Linux emacs

"Native Linux Emacs" doesn't make sense
because you can't run Emacs "on Linux".
You can't run any application "on Linux".
Linux is not an operating system, just a kernel.

So I think you're talking about the version of Emacs
that is compiled to run on the GNU/Linux system.

See https://gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html and
https://gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html, plus the history in
https://gnu.org/gnu/the-gnu-project.html.

-- 
Dr Richard Stallman
President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org)
Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html.

bug#27539: suggestion for download page

[Nicolas Petton]

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lorenzo.adyns@openmailbox.org writes:

> Hello,

Hi,

> So it's possible to run the native Linux emacs within windows, maybe 
> this could be a helpful addition to the windows download page

I'm not using Windows, and I do not know how to install Emacs this way.
However, if someone is willing to give step by step installation
instructions, I could add it to the download page.

Cheers,
Nico

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bug#27539: suggestion for download page

[Lorenzo]

Op 4/07/2017 om 10:29 schreef Nicolas Petton:
> lorenzo.adyns@openmailbox.org writes:
>
>> Hello,
> Hi,
>
>> So it's possible to run the native Linux emacs within windows, maybe
>> this could be a helpful addition to the windows download page
> I'm not using Windows, and I do not know how to install Emacs this way.
> However, if someone is willing to give step by step installation
> instructions, I could add it to the download page.
>
> Cheers,
> Nico

Hi,

I will look into writing a step by step instruction for this way to run the GNU+Linux compiled Emacs version on windows.

regards,
Lorenzo

bug#27539: suggestion for download page

[Lorenzo]

> lorenzo.adyns@openmailbox.org writes:
>
>> Hello,
> Hi,
>
>> So it's possible to run the native Linux emacs within windows, maybe
>> this could be a helpful addition to the windows download page
> I'm not using Windows, and I do not know how to install Emacs this way.
> However, if someone is willing to give step by step installation
> instructions, I could add it to the download page.
>
> Cheers,
> Nico
Hi,

I wrote a step by step guide on how to run the GNU/Linux comiled version 
of Emacs using Bash on Ubuntu on Windows.

I will send it by mail.

regards,
Lorenzo

bug#27539:

[Lorenzo]

Hi,

Here is the complete procedure:

* Preparation
** Your PC must be running (at a minimum) a 64-bit version of Windows 10 
Anniversary Update. Creators Update is recommended.
*** To find your PC's CPU architecture and Windows version/build number, 
open Settings>System>About. Look for the OS Build and System Type fields.
*** If build is below 14393 -> try to update
* Installation
** Turn on developer mode
*** Open Settings -> Update and Security -> For developers
*** Select the Developer Mode radio button
** Enable the windows subsystem for linux feature(GUI)
*** From Start, search for "Turn Windows features on or off"
*** Select Windows Subsystem for Linux (beta)
*** Open Powershell promt (AS ADMINISTRATOR)& execute
#+BEGIN_SRC
Enable-WindowsOptionalFeature -Online -FeatureName 
Microsoft-Windows-Subsystem-Linux
#+END_SRC
*** Restart computer
*** Open a command prompt & execute
#+BEGIN_SRC
bash
#+END_SRC
*** Create user (is unrelated to windows account)
* Starting bash
** In powershell or command prompt execute
#+BEGIN_SRC
bash
#+END_SRC
* Install emacs
** Start bash & execute
#+BEGIN_SRC
sudo apt-get install emacs
#+END_SRC

bug#27539:

[Glenn Morris]

Couple of questions:

1) Does documenting this imply Emacs developers provide support for it?

2) What about Cygwin?

bug#27539:

[Nicolas Petton]

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Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> writes:

> Couple of questions:
>
> 1) Does documenting this imply Emacs developers provide support for
> it?

I don't think so, and this is AFAIK still in Beta. I think that if we're
going to add this documentation to the download page, we should mention
both.

> 2) What about Cygwin?

I'm completely ignorant when it comes to the Windows world.  If you or
someone else wants to give me installation instructions for Cygwin, when
I'd be happy to add it to the page.

Cheers,
Nico

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bug#27539:

[Lorenzo]

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Op 5/07/2017 om 20:20 schreef Nicolas Petton:
> Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> Couple of questions:
>>
>> 1) Does documenting this imply Emacs developers provide support for
>> it?
> I don't think so, and this is AFAIK still in Beta. I think that if we're
> going to add this documentation to the download page, we should mention
> both.
It is indeed not (yet) a finished product.

For example, not all network tools are working. An overview I found; 
dated June '17:

As of Creators Update, the following tools should work:

  * ping
  * dig
  * ifconfig
  * ip link
  * ip addr show
  * ifconfig
  * whois
  * nslookup
  * ip route
  * ip addr add/delete

Not working:

  * nmap
  * tracepath
  * traceroute
  * traceroute6

Even so I believe it's always a good idea to offer a broad range of 
possibilities to get to know free software and the principles behind them.

  regards,

Lorenzo


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bug#27539:

[Nicolas Petton]

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Lorenzo <lorenzo.adyns@openmailbox.org> writes:

Hi Lorenzo,

> Here is the complete procedure:

I was wondering how well does Emacs run when installed like this?  Is
anyone using Emacs this way?  Are there any limitations/bugs?

Cheers,
Nico

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bug#27539:

[Lorenzo]

Op 6/07/2017 om 14:02 schreef Nicolas Petton:
> Lorenzo <lorenzo.adyns@openmailbox.org> writes:
>
> Hi Lorenzo,
>
>> Here is the complete procedure:
> I was wondering how well does Emacs run when installed like this?  Is
> anyone using Emacs this way?  Are there any limitations/bugs?
>
> Cheers,
> Nico
Hi,

I have done some limited testing and as far as I could see it ran stable 
& quick.

Some remarks I have involving usability & theming:
- default colour scheme has some hard to read colours (dark blue on 
black background but M-X customize-themes to 'tsdh-light'-theme solves this
- some key strokes are caught by the console f.e. M-RET maximizes the 
console window -> ESC-RET can be used as explained in man's & tutorials

regards,
Lorenzo

bug#27539:

[Ken Brown]

On 7/5/2017 2:20 PM, Nicolas Petton wrote:
> Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> writes:
> 
>> Couple of questions:
>>
>> 1) Does documenting this imply Emacs developers provide support for
>> it?
> 
> I don't think so, and this is AFAIK still in Beta. I think that if we're
> going to add this documentation to the download page, we should mention
> both.
> 
>> 2) What about Cygwin?
> 
> I'm completely ignorant when it comes to the Windows world.  If you or
> someone else wants to give me installation instructions for Cygwin, when
> I'd be happy to add it to the page.

Cygwin users can install Emacs by using Cygwin's installer, 
setup-x86.exe (32bits) or setup-x86_64.exe (64bits).

Ken

bug#27539:

[Lorenzo]

Op 6/07/2017 om 15:03 schreef Ken Brown:
> On 7/5/2017 2:20 PM, Nicolas Petton wrote:
>> Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> writes:
>>
>>> Couple of questions:
>>>
>>> 1) Does documenting this imply Emacs developers provide support for
>>> it?
>>
>> I don't think so, and this is AFAIK still in Beta. I think that if we're
>> going to add this documentation to the download page, we should mention
>> both.
>>
>>> 2) What about Cygwin?
>>
>> I'm completely ignorant when it comes to the Windows world.  If you or
>> someone else wants to give me installation instructions for Cygwin, when
>> I'd be happy to add it to the page.
>
> Cygwin users can install Emacs by using Cygwin's installer, 
> setup-x86.exe (32bits) or setup-x86_64.exe (64bits).
>
> Ken

Beat me to it :) I was just testing it. Seems to work really great & it 
is as simple as downloading the above mentioned executables & selecting 
emacs to be installed.

Lorenzo

bug#27539:

[Noam Postavsky]

On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Lorenzo <lorenzo.adyns@openmailbox.org> wrote:

> I have done some limited testing and as far as I could see it ran stable &
> quick.

Does package installation work? I think there were some people trying
this a few months ago and reporting problems with that.

bug#27539:

[Stefan Kangas]

Lorenzo <lorenzo.adyns@openmailbox.org> writes:

> Op 6/07/2017 om 15:03 schreef Ken Brown:
>> On 7/5/2017 2:20 PM, Nicolas Petton wrote:
>>> Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> writes:
>>>
>>>> Couple of questions:
>>>>
>>>> 1) Does documenting this imply Emacs developers provide support for
>>>> it?
>>>
>>> I don't think so, and this is AFAIK still in Beta. I think that if we're
>>> going to add this documentation to the download page, we should mention
>>> both.
>>>
>>>> 2) What about Cygwin?
>>>
>>> I'm completely ignorant when it comes to the Windows world.  If you or
>>> someone else wants to give me installation instructions for Cygwin, when
>>> I'd be happy to add it to the page.
>>
>> Cygwin users can install Emacs by using Cygwin's installer, setup-x86.exe
>> (32bits) or setup-x86_64.exe (64bits).
>>
>> Ken
>
> Beat me to it :) I was just testing it. Seems to work really great & it is as
> simple as downloading the above mentioned executables & selecting emacs to be
> installed.

It seems like there is already an accepted installation method for
Windows.

Since there has been no further progress here in 3 years, can we
therefore close this bug?

Best regards,
Stefan Kangas

bug#27539:

[Stefan Kangas]

Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se> writes:

> Lorenzo <lorenzo.adyns@openmailbox.org> writes:
>
>> Op 6/07/2017 om 15:03 schreef Ken Brown:
>>> On 7/5/2017 2:20 PM, Nicolas Petton wrote:
>>>> Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Couple of questions:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Does documenting this imply Emacs developers provide support for
>>>>> it?
>>>>
>>>> I don't think so, and this is AFAIK still in Beta. I think that if we're
>>>> going to add this documentation to the download page, we should mention
>>>> both.
>>>>
>>>>> 2) What about Cygwin?
>>>>
>>>> I'm completely ignorant when it comes to the Windows world.  If you or
>>>> someone else wants to give me installation instructions for Cygwin, when
>>>> I'd be happy to add it to the page.
>>>
>>> Cygwin users can install Emacs by using Cygwin's installer, setup-x86.exe
>>> (32bits) or setup-x86_64.exe (64bits).
>>>
>>> Ken
>>
>> Beat me to it :) I was just testing it. Seems to work really great & it is as
>> simple as downloading the above mentioned executables & selecting emacs to be
>> installed.
>
> It seems like there is already an accepted installation method for
> Windows.
>
> Since there has been no further progress here in 3 years, can we
> therefore close this bug?

More information was requested, but none was given within 7 weeks, so
I'm closing this bug.  If there is more to do here, please reply to this
email (use "Reply to all" in your email client) and we can reopen the
bug report.

Best regards,
Stefan Kangas