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From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se>
Cc: 40813@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#40813: [PATCH] Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode
Date: 24 Apr 2020 11:32:16 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200424113216.42884.qmail@mail.muc.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1087.1587724805.3066.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>

Hello, Stefan.

In article <mailman.1087.1587724805.3066.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> you wrote:
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> > I believe org-mode is vastly more well-known and arguably also more
>> > intuitive to users.

I'm certain that's not right.  Anybody who can use Emacs at all knows
outline-mode well enough to use it effectively.

>> It is also much larger and heavier.

> Is that a problem in practice?

Very much so.  If these files' modes are changed to org-mode, then
sooner or later, org-mode enthusiasts will start filling them up with
obscure org-mode features, such that only an "org-mode elite" will be
able to edit these files.  Or it will cost an inordinate amount of time
to learn org-mode each time a non-org contributor needs to amend such a
file.

Org-mode is difficult to learn and opaque (see discussions of its
documentation in other threads).  It is thus unsuitable for basic text
files.

[ .... ]

> The main argument is that org-mode will be more familiar to users and
> prospective Emacs hackers.

I'm certain that's not right.  See above.

I'm strongly against this change happening.  But if it is to happen, it
should be drawn to people's attention by having a discussion in
emacs-devel.

> Best regards,
> Stefan Kangas

-- 
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).






  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-04-24 11:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-04-24  9:42 bug#40813: [PATCH] Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode Stefan Kangas
2020-04-24 10:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-24 10:39   ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-24 11:20     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-24 12:11       ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-24 12:27         ` Robert Pluim
2020-04-24 12:29         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-24 18:16         ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-05-07 19:16         ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-24 13:59     ` Noam Postavsky
2020-04-25  3:34   ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-25  6:40     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-26  3:24       ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-29 14:49         ` Robert Pluim
     [not found] ` <mailman.1087.1587724805.3066.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2020-04-24 11:32   ` Alan Mackenzie [this message]
2020-04-24 12:19     ` Stefan Kangas

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