bug#222: isearch-repeat-forward: wrong overlay after failure

bug#222: isearch-repeat-forward: wrong overlay after failure

[David Reitter]

On 11 May 2008, at 17:59, Juri Linkov wrote:
>
> `isearch-repeat-forward' is not an entry point to the incremental  
> search:
> it doesn't activate isearch mode neither deactivates it.  IIUC, it was
> never intended for non-incremental search, so it doesn't guarantee to
> work when isearch mode is not active.
>
> If you want to find the next occurrence without highlighting it
> and without activating isearch mode, you can use the command
> `search-forward'.

isearch-repeat-forward is interactive, which is why I thought it would  
be a decent entry point.
It works beautifully, except when you switch buffers and when  
nonsensical text is highlighted.

Something like  (search-forward isearch-string) works too, as long as  
the match is visualized.  That's what I'm doing now; thanks for  
pointing out this (better) variant.

bug#222: isearch-repeat-forward: wrong overlay after failure

[David Kastrup]

David Reitter <david.reitter@gmail.com> writes:

> On 11 May 2008, at 17:59, Juri Linkov wrote:
>>
>> `isearch-repeat-forward' is not an entry point to the incremental
>> search:
>> it doesn't activate isearch mode neither deactivates it.  IIUC, it was
>> never intended for non-incremental search, so it doesn't guarantee to
>> work when isearch mode is not active.
>>
>> If you want to find the next occurrence without highlighting it
>> and without activating isearch mode, you can use the command
>> `search-forward'.
>
> isearch-repeat-forward is interactive, which is why I thought it would
> be a decent entry point.

Which I would call a reasonable expectation.  However, keybindings even
in specialized keymaps need to be bound to interactive functions.  So if
we have functions that are only intended for use in specialized keymaps,
there is no way to keep people from binding them to normal keymaps.

So it is sort of a combined documentation/expectation problem.  I have
no good idea how to approach this.

-- 
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

bug#222: isearch-repeat-forward: wrong overlay after failure

[Lennart Borgman (gmail)]

David Kastrup wrote:
> David Reitter <david.reitter@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> On 11 May 2008, at 17:59, Juri Linkov wrote:
>>> `isearch-repeat-forward' is not an entry point to the incremental
>>> search:
>>> it doesn't activate isearch mode neither deactivates it.  IIUC, it was
>>> never intended for non-incremental search, so it doesn't guarantee to
>>> work when isearch mode is not active.
>>>
>>> If you want to find the next occurrence without highlighting it
>>> and without activating isearch mode, you can use the command
>>> `search-forward'.
>> isearch-repeat-forward is interactive, which is why I thought it would
>> be a decent entry point.
> 
> Which I would call a reasonable expectation.  However, keybindings even
> in specialized keymaps need to be bound to interactive functions.  So if
> we have functions that are only intended for use in specialized keymaps,
> there is no way to keep people from binding them to normal keymaps.
> 
> So it is sort of a combined documentation/expectation problem.  I have
> no good idea how to approach this.

Maybe an error message that explains/points to an explanation?

bug#222: isearch-repeat-forward: wrong overlay after failure

[David Kastrup]

"Lennart Borgman (gmail)" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com> writes:

> David Kastrup wrote:
>> David Reitter <david.reitter@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> On 11 May 2008, at 17:59, Juri Linkov wrote:
>>>> `isearch-repeat-forward' is not an entry point to the incremental
>>>> search:
>>>> it doesn't activate isearch mode neither deactivates it.  IIUC, it was
>>>> never intended for non-incremental search, so it doesn't guarantee to
>>>> work when isearch mode is not active.
>>>>
>>>> If you want to find the next occurrence without highlighting it
>>>> and without activating isearch mode, you can use the command
>>>> `search-forward'.
>>> isearch-repeat-forward is interactive, which is why I thought it would
>>> be a decent entry point.
>>
>> Which I would call a reasonable expectation.  However, keybindings even
>> in specialized keymaps need to be bound to interactive functions.  So if
>> we have functions that are only intended for use in specialized keymaps,
>> there is no way to keep people from binding them to normal keymaps.
>>
>> So it is sort of a combined documentation/expectation problem.  I have
>> no good idea how to approach this.
>
> Maybe an error message that explains/points to an explanation?

What should trigger an error here?

-- 
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

bug#222: isearch-repeat-forward: wrong overlay after failure

[Juri Linkov]

>>> Which I would call a reasonable expectation.  However, keybindings even
>>> in specialized keymaps need to be bound to interactive functions.  So if
>>> we have functions that are only intended for use in specialized keymaps,
>>> there is no way to keep people from binding them to normal keymaps.
>>>
>>> So it is sort of a combined documentation/expectation problem.  I have
>>> no good idea how to approach this.
>>
>> Maybe an error message that explains/points to an explanation?
>
> What should trigger an error here?

  (unless isearch-mode
    (error "This command doesn't work when isearch mode is not active"))

-- 
Juri Linkov
http://www.jurta.org/emacs/

bug#222: isearch-repeat-forward: wrong overlay after failure

[David Reitter]

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On 12 May 2008, at 00:59, Juri Linkov wrote:
>
>  (unless isearch-mode
>    (error "This command doesn't work when isearch mode is not  
> active"))


Would this

  (unless isearch-mode
	(isearch-mode 1))

be not more reasonable?

- D

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bug#222: isearch-repeat-forward: wrong overlay after failure

[David Reitter]

On 12 May 2008, at 08:21, David Reitter wrote:
>
> (unless isearch-mode
> 	(isearch-mode 1))

Another alternative would be to make isearch-repeat-forward simply  
work in this case because it does something useful.
We've had Command-G bound to it for three years now (i.e., in  
Aquamacs, with Command-F bound to isearch-forward) and I've never had  
any complaints from users about the functionality.

bug#222: isearch-repeat-forward: wrong overlay after failure

[Stefan Monnier]

>>> `isearch-repeat-forward' is not an entry point to the incremental
>>> search:
>>> it doesn't activate isearch mode neither deactivates it.  IIUC, it was
>>> never intended for non-incremental search, so it doesn't guarantee to
>>> work when isearch mode is not active.
>>> 
>>> If you want to find the next occurrence without highlighting it
>>> and without activating isearch mode, you can use the command
>>> `search-forward'.
>> 
>> isearch-repeat-forward is interactive, which is why I thought it would
>> be a decent entry point.

> Which I would call a reasonable expectation.  However, keybindings even
> in specialized keymaps need to be bound to interactive functions.  So if
> we have functions that are only intended for use in specialized keymaps,
> there is no way to keep people from binding them to normal keymaps.

> So it is sort of a combined documentation/expectation problem.  I have
> no good idea how to approach this.

It's a very general problem: many keybindings used in major-mode or
minor modes only work properly if the corresponding mode is
currently active.

Of course, many work perfectly in other contexts too, and yet many more
work 98% OK as well.

I don't think it makes sense to document each and every function
describing whether it's expected to work in other modes or not.


        Stefan

bug#222: isearch-repeat-forward: wrong overlay after failure

[Glenn Morris]

I don't see a need to keep open this particular report, which was marked
"wontfix" some time ago.

Stefan Monnier wrote:

> It's a very general problem: many keybindings used in major-mode or
> minor modes only work properly if the corresponding mode is
> currently active.
>
> Of course, many work perfectly in other contexts too, and yet many more
> work 98% OK as well.
>
> I don't think it makes sense to document each and every function
> describing whether it's expected to work in other modes or not.

bug#222: isearch-repeat-forward: wrong overlay after failure

[David Reitter]

isearch wrongly highlights a part of a buffer when `isearch-forward'  
fails.

To reproduce, create buffer A, containing just the following:

123456

Also, create buffer B, containing

12346

Now switch to buffer A, move point to the beginning, and do C-s 5.   
The `5' will be highlighted.
Then switch to buffer B and move point to the beginning.  (You can  
show the buffers in two windows, or just switch between them: it  
doesn't matter.)
Then do M-x isearch-repeat-forward.  (Do NOT do C-s C-s.)

You will find that `6' is highlighted, and a (correct) message is  
displayed that the search failed.  (It appears that the text at a  
position equivalent to where the last match was in the previous buffer  
is highlighted.)

The overlay in buffer B shouldn't be there.

This issue has been around for a long time, and I suspect it was never  
noticed because many people just do C-s C-s rather than binding a key  
to `isearch-repeat-forward'.






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5 <return> 6 5 <return> <backspace> <backspace> <return>
<escape> x v i s i t - n e <tab> <backspace> <backspace>
<backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace>
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<backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace>
<backspace> <backspace> <backspace> v i s i <tab> C-x
C-f T e m p SPC t 1 <backspace> <backspace> <backspace>
/ t 2 <return> 1 <return> 2 <return> 3 <return> 4 <return>
6 <return> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up>
<up> <up> C-x b <return> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up>
<up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> C-s 5 C-x b <return>
<escape> x i s e a r c h - r e <tab> <tab> p e <tab>
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