* OT: gmane seems to be back
@ 2018-10-30 15:57 Nick Dokos
2018-10-31 7:36 ` Achim Gratz
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From: Nick Dokos @ 2018-10-30 15:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
For a couple of weeks, I had not been able to connect to gmane, so I
finally gave up and changed my preferences so that I could receive the
email from the list. I have not seen any acknowledgement anywhere
that it was down BTW - did anybody here notice? Or was it just me?
I don't know when it came back but I just noticed today that it *is*
back and I can resume using nntp for reading this list and hat is a
very good thing!
After two years, I have given up hope that gmane search will ever come
back, and the nntp feed going way just seemed like the final nail on
the gmane coffin. So I'm modestly encouraged that nntp is back: I
won't go as far as saying that there might be a flicker of hope for
search to come back, but who knows?
Anyway, thanks to the people who brought it back!
--
Nick
"There are only two hard problems in computer science: cache
invalidation, naming things, and off-by-one errors." -Martin Fowler
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* Re: OT: gmane seems to be back
2018-10-30 15:57 OT: gmane seems to be back Nick Dokos
@ 2018-10-31 7:36 ` Achim Gratz
2018-10-31 13:50 ` Nick Dokos
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From: Achim Gratz @ 2018-10-31 7:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Am 30.10.2018 um 16:57 schrieb Nick Dokos:
> For a couple of weeks, I had not been able to connect to gmane, so I
> finally gave up and changed my preferences so that I could receive the
> email from the list. I have not seen any acknowledgement anywhere
> that it was down BTW - did anybody here notice? Or was it just me?
Plain NNTP wasn't down at all, but connections that use TLS stopped
working some time ago and probably still don't work.
--
Achim.
(on the road :-)
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* Re: OT: gmane seems to be back
2018-10-31 7:36 ` Achim Gratz
@ 2018-10-31 13:50 ` Nick Dokos
2018-10-31 17:32 ` Colin Baxter
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Nick Dokos @ 2018-10-31 13:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Achim Gratz <Stromeko@Nexgo.DE> writes:
> Am 30.10.2018 um 16:57 schrieb Nick Dokos:
>> For a couple of weeks, I had not been able to connect to gmane, so I
>> finally gave up and changed my preferences so that I could receive the
>> email from the list. I have not seen any acknowledgement anywhere
>> that it was down BTW - did anybody here notice? Or was it just me?
>
> Plain NNTP wasn't down at all, but connections that use TLS stopped
> working some time ago and probably still don't work.
I have this in my .gnus.el:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
(setq gnus-select-method
'(nntp "news.gmane.org"
(nntp-open-connection-function nntp-open-tls-stream)
(nntp-port-number 563)
;; (nntp-port-number 119)
(nnir-search-engine gmane)
))
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
and that works now, but did not work for a while earlier in the month
(or perhaps longer). IIUC what you said, port 119 with some other
setting (nntp-open-network-stream perhaps, or nntp-open-plain-stream)
for the connection function would have worked during this time? I'll
have to remember that for next time...
Thanks!
--
Nick
"There are only two hard problems in computer science: cache
invalidation, naming things, and off-by-one errors." -Martin Fowler
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* Re: OT: gmane seems to be back
2018-10-31 13:50 ` Nick Dokos
@ 2018-10-31 17:32 ` Colin Baxter
2018-10-31 18:05 ` Robert Pluim
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Colin Baxter @ 2018-10-31 17:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Nick Dokos; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
>>>>> Nick Dokos <ndokos@gmail.com> writes:
> Achim Gratz <Stromeko@Nexgo.DE> writes:
>> Am 30.10.2018 um 16:57 schrieb Nick Dokos:
>>> For a couple of weeks, I had not been able to connect to gmane,
>>> so I finally gave up and changed my preferences so that I could
>>> receive the email from the list. I have not seen any
>>> acknowledgement anywhere that it was down BTW - did anybody here
>>> notice? Or was it just me?
>>
>> Plain NNTP wasn't down at all, but connections that use TLS
>> stopped working some time ago and probably still don't work.
> I have this in my .gnus.el:
> (setq gnus-select-method '(nntp "news.gmane.org"
> (nntp-open-connection-function nntp-open-tls-stream)
> (nntp-port-number 563) ;; (nntp-port-number 119)
> (nnir-search-engine gmane) ))
My gnus works fine (always has) with just the first line. The
nntp-open-tls-stream and port-numbers appear not to be required. And I
thought gmane.org was could no longer be searched with nnir.
Best wishes,
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* Re: OT: gmane seems to be back
2018-10-31 17:32 ` Colin Baxter
@ 2018-10-31 18:05 ` Robert Pluim
2018-10-31 18:42 ` Colin Baxter
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Robert Pluim @ 2018-10-31 18:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Colin Baxter; +Cc: Nick Dokos, emacs-orgmode
Colin Baxter <m43cap@yandex.com> writes:
>>>>>> Nick Dokos <ndokos@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > Achim Gratz <Stromeko@Nexgo.DE> writes:
> >> Am 30.10.2018 um 16:57 schrieb Nick Dokos:
> >>> For a couple of weeks, I had not been able to connect to gmane,
> >>> so I finally gave up and changed my preferences so that I could
> >>> receive the email from the list. I have not seen any
> >>> acknowledgement anywhere that it was down BTW - did anybody here
> >>> notice? Or was it just me?
> >>
> >> Plain NNTP wasn't down at all, but connections that use TLS
> >> stopped working some time ago and probably still don't work.
>
> > I have this in my .gnus.el:
>
> > (setq gnus-select-method '(nntp "news.gmane.org"
> > (nntp-open-connection-function nntp-open-tls-stream)
> > (nntp-port-number 563) ;; (nntp-port-number 119)
> > (nnir-search-engine gmane) ))
>
> My gnus works fine (always has) with just the first line. The
> nntp-open-tls-stream and port-numbers appear not to be required. And I
> thought gmane.org was could no longer be searched with nnir.
If you do that then you connect to port 119 using cleartext and the
connection is (potentially) upgraded using STARTTLS. Thatʼs not the
same as making a TLS connection to port 563. Whether this matters for
reading news is entirely a personal decision.
The gmane search interface is sadly indeed defunct.
Robert
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* Re: OT: gmane seems to be back
2018-10-31 18:05 ` Robert Pluim
@ 2018-10-31 18:42 ` Colin Baxter
0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Colin Baxter @ 2018-10-31 18:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Nick Dokos; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
>>>>> Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com> writes:
> Colin Baxter <m43cap@yandex.com> writes:
>>>>>>> Nick Dokos <ndokos@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> > Achim Gratz <Stromeko@Nexgo.DE> writes: >> Am 30.10.2018 um
>> 16:57 schrieb Nick Dokos: >>> For a couple of weeks, I had not
>> been able to connect to gmane, >>> so I finally gave up and
>> changed my preferences so that I could >>> receive the email from
>> the list. I have not seen any >>> acknowledgement anywhere that
>> it was down BTW - did anybody here >>> notice? Or was it just me?
>> >>
>> >> Plain NNTP wasn't down at all, but connections that use TLS >>
>> stopped working some time ago and probably still don't work.
>>
>> > I have this in my .gnus.el:
>>
>> > (setq gnus-select-method '(nntp "news.gmane.org" >
>> (nntp-open-connection-function nntp-open-tls-stream) >
>> (nntp-port-number 563) ;; (nntp-port-number 119) >
>> (nnir-search-engine gmane) ))
>>
>> My gnus works fine (always has) with just the first line. The
>> nntp-open-tls-stream and port-numbers appear not to be
>> required. And I thought gmane.org was could no longer be searched
>> with nnir.
> If you do that then you connect to port 119 using cleartext and
> the connection is (potentially) upgraded using STARTTLS. Thatʼs
> not the same as making a TLS connection to port 563. Whether this
> matters for reading news is entirely a personal decision.
I did not know this so many thanks for the information.
> The gmane search interface is sadly indeed defunct.
Shame :-(
Best wishes,
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