gmail label support in offlineimap - update

gmail label support in offlineimap - update

[Rainer M Krug]

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Hi

there is a patched version of offlineimap available which is synching gmail labels to x-keywords.
More information can be found here:

http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.mail.imap.offlineimap.general/5943/focus=5970

and

http://article.gmane.org/gmane.mail.imap.offlineimap.general/5970

It is written by Abdó ig-Maranges (I cc him this email).

I would ask if it is possible (and desired) to include indexing of the X-keywords headers as well,
so that gmail labels can be represented as tags in notmuch.

To have sync from notmuch tags to gmail labels, the tags would have to be written to a x-header as
well.

This could possibly be activated by a config setting, so that emails are left unchanged by
default, but if write.Tags.In.X-Header is set to TRUE, the tags are synced to the x-headers as well.

Unfortunately, I am not a programmer, it is only that I really like notmuch and would like to
continue using it with gmail label sync.

I think this would be a very useful feature.

Cheers,

Rainer
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Re: gmail label support in offlineimap - update

[Peter Portante]

+1

Re: gmail label support in offlineimap - update

[Jeremy Nickurak]

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As far as syncing flags to notmuch, it sounds like this would be easy to
achieve with an independent 3rd tool, or even a small script:
1) Find files in the maildir modified since the last check
2) Read their keywords headers
3) Update the notmuch tags accordingnly.

The other direction sounds like it would be trickier though, since there's
no obvious way to say "what notmuch tags have changed since time X?". Is
this something that notmuch could provide?

Alternatively, would it be a good idea to give notmuch a tags-changed hook,
so that an external tool could be called on a tag change? That sounds like
would solve this problem, keep the gmail/imap logic safely away from
notmuch, and probably provide some really interesting other opportunities
for automation of things by tags.

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Re: gmail label support in offlineimap - update

[David Bremner]

Jeremy Nickurak <not-much@trk.nickurak.ca> writes:


> The other direction sounds like it would be trickier though, since there's
> no obvious way to say "what notmuch tags have changed since time X?". Is
> this something that notmuch could provide?

Not currently, but there have been patches proposed; see e.g.

    id:1323796305-28789-1-git-send-email-schnouki@schnouki.net

> Alternatively, would it be a good idea to give notmuch a tags-changed hook,
> so that an external tool could be called on a tag change? That sounds like
> would solve this problem, keep the gmail/imap logic safely away from
> notmuch, and probably provide some really interesting other opportunities
> for automation of things by tags.

See the thread at 

    id:1342503373-16979-1-git-send-email-dominik@with-h.at

for some patches and discussion.

Re: gmail label support in offlineimap - update

[Michal Nazarewicz]

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On Wed, Nov 28 2012, Jeremy Nickurak wrote:
> The other direction sounds like it would be trickier though, since
> there's no obvious way to say "what notmuch tags have changed since
> time X?". Is this something that notmuch could provide?

One could parse the X-Labels header and compare it with actual tags
given message has.  If there are some tags that X-Labels lists but the
message does not have, the notmuch->gmail syncing tool could assume that
those were removed by notmuch.  Similarly with tags that are not in
X-Labels but the message has.  (Of course the list of tags would have to
be limited to those that have corresponding gmail labels.)  Just
a thought.

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Re: gmail label support in offlineimap - update

[Rainer M Krug]

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On 28/11/12 19:09, David Bremner wrote:
> Jeremy Nickurak <not-much@trk.nickurak.ca> writes:
> 
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>> The other direction sounds like it would be trickier though, since there's no obvious way to
>> say "what notmuch tags have changed since time X?". Is this something that notmuch could
>> provide?
> 
> Not currently, but there have been patches proposed; see e.g.
> 
> id:1323796305-28789-1-git-send-email-schnouki@schnouki.net
> 
>> Alternatively, would it be a good idea to give notmuch a tags-changed hook, so that an
>> external tool could be called on a tag change? That sounds like would solve this problem,
>> keep the gmail/imap logic safely away from notmuch, and probably provide some really
>> interesting other opportunities for automation of things by tags.
> 
> See the thread at
> 
> id:1342503373-16979-1-git-send-email-dominik@with-h.at
> 
> for some patches and discussion.

I think a "tag changed hook" could solve both problems - when there would be an additional "messge
changed" hook: the "message changed" hook could be used to add the x-headers to the notmuch
database, and the "tag changed" hook could do the inverse, i.e. update the x-headers in the message.

This would be a clean approach, which could be used for many things.

Cheers,

Rainer

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Re: gmail label support in offlineimap - update

[Rainer M Krug]

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On 28/11/12 19:47, Michal Nazarewicz wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 28 2012, Jeremy Nickurak wrote:
>> The other direction sounds like it would be trickier though, since there's no obvious way to
>> say "what notmuch tags have changed since time X?". Is this something that notmuch could
>> provide?
> 
> One could parse the X-Labels header and compare it with actual tags given message has.  If
> there are some tags that X-Labels lists but the message does not have, the notmuch->gmail
> syncing tool could assume that those were removed by notmuch.  Similarly with tags that are not
> in X-Labels but the message has.  (Of course the list of tags would have to be limited to those
> that have corresponding gmail labels.)  Just a thought.

Assumptions are dangerous - what about labels added on gmail side?

Rainer


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Re: gmail label support in offlineimap - update

[Michal Nazarewicz]

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On Thu, Nov 29 2012, Rainer M Krug wrote:
> I think a "tag changed hook" could solve both problems - when there
> would be an additional "messge changed" hook:

How would you make the “message changed” hook work? What if I do
“$EDITOR <some-mail>”? What is supposed to trigger the hook?

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Re: gmail label support in offlineimap - update

[Rainer M Krug]

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On 29/11/12 14:33, Michal Nazarewicz wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 29 2012, Rainer M Krug wrote:
>> I think a "tag changed hook" could solve both problems - when there would be an additional
>> "messge changed" hook:
> 
> How would you make the ?message changed? hook work? What if I do ?$EDITOR <some-mail>?? What is
> supposed to trigger the hook?

The hook would be triggered when doing "notmuch new". Cling the hook from a different program is
not feasible, I guess, unless opne can configure the external program accordingly.


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