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From: Maxime Devos <maximedevos@telenet.be>
To: Reily Siegel <mail@reilysiegel.com>, 53765@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: [bug#53765] V3 Patches
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2022 21:16:08 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <dd36e087330223234ef3132e91a9ce9bca39589b.camel@telenet.be> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87tuatgc6b.fsf@reilysiegel.com>

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Reily Siegel schreef op za 16-04-2022 om 19:39 [+0200]:
> It is my personal opinion that this is not a compilation, but a
> translation. All this "compiler" is doing, as far as I can tell, is
> reading the JSON source, and outputting an equivalent source in EDN
> format.

Translation (between human languages) is hard.  Translation between
file formats can be hard to, e.g. for complicated documents, I often
see errors introduced by Libreoffice (odt) <-> Microsoft (docx)
conversion.  

> This seems completely fine to me, as nothing then prevents the
> user of this library from editing the EDN source, which is equivalent to
> the JSON source. In fact, since this is a Clojure library, the EDN
> source is probably the preferred form for editing for people who are
> likely to use it.

These EDN files could be modified, so non-Cognitect people could
perhaps, for every new API thing or modified API that Amazon
introduces, manually search for the relevant part in the JSON files and
transcribe them to EDN, do some tests to make sure they didn't make any
errors during the transcribing process.  Likewise for updating the
documentation parts.

However, that looks like a lot of pointless work and a power indynamic,
that could be trivially be resolved by Cognitect.

> This seems to focus on instances when some important software freedom
> is lost. I can't see anything that would give guidance on what to do
> when all freedoms are preserved, as they seem to be here.

Theoretically, the freedoms seem to be preserved here.  However, at
least currently, Cognitect is making exercising some of these freedoms
pointlessly difficult.

TBC, I'm not saying that Cognitect must make things easy, rather the
making things hard (by keeping the compiler, or translator, secret) is
what I consider the problem here.

Greetings,
Maxime.

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  reply	other threads:[~2022-04-16 19:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 166+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-02-04  0:22 [bug#53765] [PATCH 00/17] Remove limitations on clojure-tools Reily Siegel
2022-02-04  0:24 ` [bug#53765] [PATCH 01/17] gnu: Add clojure-data-priority-map Reily Siegel
2022-02-09 11:10   ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-09 11:18   ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-04  0:24 ` [bug#53765] [PATCH 02/17] gnu: Add clojure-data-json Reily Siegel
2022-02-10 17:52   ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-10 18:00   ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-04  0:24 ` [bug#53765] [PATCH 03/17] gnu: Add java-eclipse-jetty-client Reily Siegel
2022-02-04  0:24 ` [bug#53765] [PATCH 04/17] gnu: Add clojure-core-cache Reily Siegel
2022-03-17 20:44   ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-17 20:45   ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-17 20:47   ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-17 20:50   ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-17 20:57   ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-17 20:59   ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-17 21:00   ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-17 21:06   ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-17 21:08   ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-04  0:24 ` [bug#53765] [PATCH 05/17] gnu: Add clojure-core-memoize Reily Siegel
2022-02-04  0:24 ` [bug#53765] [PATCH 06/17] gnu: clojure-data-xml: Exclude failing tests Reily Siegel
2022-02-04  0:24 ` [bug#53765] [PATCH 07/17] gnu: Add clojure-http-kit Reily Siegel
2022-02-06 10:30   ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-04  0:25 ` [bug#53765] [PATCH 08/17] gnu: Add clojure-tools-analyzer Reily Siegel
2022-02-04  0:25 ` [bug#53765] [PATCH 09/17] gnu: Add clojure-tools-analyzer-jvm Reily Siegel
2022-02-06 10:46   ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-07 18:04     ` Reily Siegel
2022-02-07 19:01       ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-07 19:18         ` Reily Siegel
2022-02-04  0:25 ` [bug#53765] [PATCH 10/17] gnu: Add clojure-tools-logging Reily Siegel
2022-02-07 20:55   ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-07 22:19     ` Reily Siegel
2022-02-08 10:15       ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-08 10:22   ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-04  0:25 ` [bug#53765] [PATCH 11/17] gnu: Add clojure-core-async Reily Siegel
2022-02-07 20:32   ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-07 20:34   ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-07 20:37   ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-07 23:46     ` Reily Siegel
2022-02-07 20:53   ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-04  0:25 ` [bug#53765] [PATCH 12/17] gnu: Add clojure-com-cognitect-http-client Reily Siegel
2022-02-06 10:50   ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-07 18:06     ` Reily Siegel
2022-02-07 19:30       ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-07 19:50         ` Reily Siegel
2022-02-15  8:59           ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-07 20:21   ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-07 20:23   ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-07 20:31     ` Reily Siegel
2022-02-07 20:29   ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-04  0:25 ` [bug#53765] [PATCH 14/17] gnu: Add clojure-com-cognitect-aws-endpoints Reily Siegel
2022-02-07 19:53   ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-07 20:01     ` Reily Siegel
2022-02-04  0:26 ` [bug#53765] [PATCH 13/17] gnu: Add clojure-com-cognitect-aws-api Reily Siegel
2022-02-06 10:37   ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-06 10:39   ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-07 18:09     ` Reily Siegel
2022-02-07 19:19       ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-07 19:31         ` Reily Siegel
2022-02-06 10:45   ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-04  0:26 ` [bug#53765] [PATCH 15/17] gnu: Add clojure-com-cognitect-aws-s3 Reily Siegel
2022-02-06 10:35   ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-07 19:44   ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-07 19:56     ` Reily Siegel
2022-03-26 10:08       ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-26 10:13         ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-28 10:31         ` Reily Siegel
2022-03-28 11:50           ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-28 11:52           ` Maxime Devos
2022-04-05 13:50   ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-04  0:26 ` [bug#53765] [PATCH 16/17] gnu: clojure-tools-deps-alpha: Fix issues with S3 Reily Siegel
2022-02-04  0:26 ` [bug#53765] [PATCH 17/17] gnu: clojure-tools: Fix logging warning messages Reily Siegel
2022-03-16 12:39 ` [bug#53765] [PATCH v2 00/18] Reily Siegel
2022-03-16 12:43 ` [bug#53765] [PATCH v2 01/18] gnu: Add clojure-data-priority-map Reily Siegel
2022-03-16 12:43 ` [bug#53765] [PATCH v2 02/18] gnu: Add clojure-data-json Reily Siegel
2022-03-16 12:43 ` [bug#53765] [PATCH v2 03/18] gnu: Add java-eclipse-jetty-client Reily Siegel
2022-03-16 12:43 ` [bug#53765] [PATCH v2 04/18] gnu: Add clojure-core-cache Reily Siegel
2022-03-16 12:43 ` [bug#53765] [PATCH v2 05/18] gnu: Add clojure-core-memoize Reily Siegel
2022-03-17 21:10   ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-18  9:01     ` Reily Siegel
2022-03-18 13:22       ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-19 19:07         ` Reily Siegel
2022-03-19 19:15           ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-21  8:35             ` Reily Siegel
2022-03-21  9:06               ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-21  9:07               ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-21  9:51               ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-21  9:55             ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-21 11:27               ` Reily Siegel
2022-03-21 13:38                 ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-19 19:23           ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-19 19:28           ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-19 19:34           ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-19 19:46           ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-19 19:56             ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-19 19:54           ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-17 21:11   ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-17 21:19   ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-17 21:26   ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-21 14:18   ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-16 12:43 ` [bug#53765] [PATCH v2 06/18] gnu: clojure-data-xml: Exclude failing tests Reily Siegel
2022-03-17 21:27   ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-17 21:30   ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-16 12:43 ` [bug#53765] [PATCH v2 07/18] gnu: Add clojure-http-kit Reily Siegel
2022-03-17 21:31   ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-17 21:32   ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-17 21:42   ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-17 21:44   ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-17 21:45   ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-16 12:44 ` [bug#53765] [PATCH v2 08/18] gnu: Add clojure-tools-analyzer Reily Siegel
2022-03-16 12:44 ` [bug#53765] [PATCH v2 09/18] gnu: Add clojure-tools-analyzer-jvm Reily Siegel
2022-03-16 12:44 ` [bug#53765] [PATCH v2 10/18] gnu: Add clojure-tools-reader Reily Siegel
2022-03-16 12:44 ` [bug#53765] [PATCH v2 11/18] gnu: Add clojure-tools-logging Reily Siegel
2022-03-16 12:44 ` [bug#53765] [PATCH v2 12/18] gnu: Add clojure-core-async Reily Siegel
2022-03-16 12:44 ` [bug#53765] [PATCH v2 13/18] gnu: Add clojure-com-cognitect-http-client Reily Siegel
2022-03-16 12:44 ` [bug#53765] [PATCH v2 14/18] gnu: Add clojure-com-cognitect-aws-api Reily Siegel
2022-03-16 12:44 ` [bug#53765] [PATCH v2 15/18] gnu: Add clojure-com-cognitect-aws-endpoints Reily Siegel
2022-03-16 12:44 ` [bug#53765] [PATCH v2 16/18] gnu: Add clojure-com-cognitect-aws-s3 Reily Siegel
2022-03-26 10:03   ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-28  9:41     ` Reily Siegel
2022-03-28 11:46       ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-28 11:57         ` Reily Siegel
2022-03-16 12:44 ` [bug#53765] [PATCH v2 17/18] gnu: clojure-tools-deps-alpha: Fix issues with S3 Reily Siegel
2022-03-26  9:51   ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-29  9:54     ` [bug#53765] [PATCH 00/17] Remove limitations on clojure-tools Ludovic Courtès
2022-03-29 10:39       ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-16 12:44 ` [bug#53765] [PATCH v2 18/18] gnu: clojure-tools: Fix logging warning messages Reily Siegel
2022-04-06 12:37 ` [bug#53765] [PATCH v3 00/17] Remove limitations on clojure-tools Reily Siegel
2022-01-15 22:30   ` [bug#53765] [PATCH v3 01/17] gnu: Add clojure-data-priority-map Reily Siegel
2022-01-15 22:32   ` [bug#53765] [PATCH v3 02/17] gnu: Add clojure-data-json Reily Siegel
2022-01-16  1:38   ` [bug#53765] [PATCH v3 03/17] gnu: Add java-eclipse-jetty-client Reily Siegel
2022-01-16  1:48   ` [bug#53765] [PATCH v3 04/17] gnu: Add clojure-core-cache Reily Siegel
2022-01-16  1:51   ` [bug#53765] [PATCH v3 05/17] gnu: Add clojure-core-memoize Reily Siegel
2022-01-16  2:06   ` [bug#53765] [PATCH v3 06/17] gnu: Add clojure-http-kit Reily Siegel
2022-01-16  2:40   ` [bug#53765] [PATCH v3 07/17] gnu: Add clojure-tools-analyzer Reily Siegel
2022-01-16  2:43   ` [bug#53765] [PATCH v3 08/17] gnu: Add clojure-tools-analyzer-jvm Reily Siegel
2022-01-21 23:43   ` [bug#53765] [PATCH v3 10/17] gnu: Add clojure-tools-logging Reily Siegel
2022-01-22  0:19   ` [bug#53765] [PATCH v3 11/17] gnu: Add clojure-core-async Reily Siegel
2022-01-22  0:32   ` [bug#53765] [PATCH v3 12/17] gnu: Add clojure-com-cognitect-http-client Reily Siegel
2022-01-22  0:35   ` [bug#53765] [PATCH v3 13/17] gnu: Add clojure-com-cognitect-aws-api Reily Siegel
2022-01-22  0:36   ` [bug#53765] [PATCH v3 14/17] gnu: Add clojure-com-cognitect-aws-endpoints Reily Siegel
2022-01-22  0:36   ` [bug#53765] [PATCH v3 15/17] gnu: Add clojure-com-cognitect-aws-s3 Reily Siegel
2022-01-25 18:37   ` [bug#53765] [PATCH v3 16/17] gnu: clojure-tools-deps-alpha: Fix issues with S3 Reily Siegel
2022-01-25 18:41   ` [bug#53765] [PATCH v3 17/17] gnu: clojure-tools: Fix logging warning messages Reily Siegel
2022-02-28 18:39   ` [bug#53765] [PATCH v3 09/17] gnu: Add clojure-tools-reader Reily Siegel
2022-04-15 13:54 ` [bug#53765] (no subject) Reily Siegel
2022-04-15 13:55 ` [bug#53765] V3 Patches Reily Siegel
2022-04-15 18:47   ` Maxime Devos
2022-04-15 19:03     ` Maxime Devos
2022-04-16 17:39       ` Reily Siegel
2022-04-16 19:16         ` Maxime Devos [this message]
2022-04-16 19:35           ` Reily Siegel
2022-04-16 19:45             ` Maxime Devos
2022-04-16 20:15               ` Reily Siegel
2022-04-16 20:47                 ` Maxime Devos
2022-04-16 21:14                   ` Reily Siegel
2022-04-16 19:45         ` Maxime Devos
2022-04-16 19:32   ` Maxime Devos
2022-04-16 20:11     ` Reily Siegel
2022-04-16 21:59 ` [bug#53765] [PATCH v5 1/2] gnu: clojure-tools-deps-alpha: Patch unpackageable deps warning Reily Siegel
2022-04-16 22:00   ` [bug#53765] [PATCH v5 2/2] gnu: clojure-tools: Fix logging warnings Reily Siegel
2022-04-16 23:00 ` [bug#53765] [PATCH v4 0/2] Simpler patch removing warnings Reily Siegel
2022-04-16 21:59   ` [bug#53765] [PATCH v4 1/2] gnu: clojure-tools-deps-alpha: Patch unpackageable Reily Siegel
2022-04-17  7:59     ` Maxime Devos
2022-04-17 11:33       ` Reily Siegel
2022-04-17 14:53         ` Maxime Devos
2022-04-16 22:00   ` [bug#53765] [PATCH v4 2/2] gnu: clojure-tools: Fix logging warnings Reily Siegel

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