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From: bo0od <bo0od@riseup.net>
To: Maxime Devos <maximedevos@telenet.be>,
	"Bonface Munyoki K." <me@bonfacemunyoki.com>
Cc: 47660@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#47660: Add link to the ticket when someone reply
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 02:38:21 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <cd2209bf-be85-20e1-ec65-1f9da50b7ae9@riseup.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <41d350bee8ce1fa0d628bd9e833d6c6ced8765b8.camel@telenet.be>

Not gonna go with details about email thing (not what the ticket is 
about), But just clarify what you asked:

 > I couldn't parse this.  What does ‘they are exist by names but does 
nothing’
 > mean?

having TLS connection is not oh wow im secured now. TLS has versions and 
many other stuff like ciphers , HSTS ...etc if not all of them lined 
securely mean secure TLS version, secure ciphers,...etc you gonna have 
TLS/https just by name, but it makes no different from having it or not.

Check for e.g: DEF CON 17 - Moxie Marlinspike - More Tricks for 
Defeating SSL

https://yewtu.be/watch?v=5dhSN9aEljg

So as for DNS (DNSSEC..etc).

Hope this clarify the sentence.

 > Guix' bug tracking software is ‘GNU Bug Tracker’.  You could ask it on

yeah sadly just no respond (wasn't surprised)

Maxime Devos:
> On Thu, 2021-04-15 at 17:00 +0000, bo0od wrote:
>> To be honest i find this bad thing to use emails to do anything rather
>> than online registration and not necessary stuff (means being
>> encrypted,manipulated.. just not something important)
> 
> To be honest, I find it a bad thing that many projects (I'm looking at
> GitHub here (*)) only have a web interface, that require registration
> (and often have terms of service I would consider criminal).  Then there
> are multiple web sites requiring registration that I need to keep track
> of.
> 
> (*) Ok, GitHub has e-mail notifications.  But I can't directly reply to them,
>      I need to go to the web interface.  At least, that was the case N years ago.
> 
> I like being able to perform all asynchronuous communication via e-mail,
> instead of via a dozen platforms.  With e-mail, you get signing ‘for free’,
> while with $PLATFORMS, you need to rely on each $PLATFORM infrastructure
> or resort to ...
> 
> (my intepretation of your words, out of context, with encryption replaced with
>   signing)
>> extra tools, where you have to copy the message into the tool, let the
>> tool verify the signature.  Or write a message into the tool, let the
>> tool create the signature, and copy the message+signature into the web
>> interface.
> 
>> Email sucks due to:
>> * Messages are not encrypted by default which mean it need an extra tool
>> to do it and commonly used is GPG/PGP + it needs tool to implement this
>> encryption on the messages which mean mail reader/client most commonly
>> one used is thunderbird/icedove <- This method having tremendous
>> security issues check for example: [...]
> 
> Not relevant for our purposes.  Issues are public.  Only PGP for signing is
> relevant here.  Also, PGP + Evolution works just fine for me, and evolution
> doesn't download external attachements by default.
> 
>> * Most of the time (not always) heavily rely on clearnet which mean
>> issues of TLS/DNS which needs to be hardened otherwise they are exist by
>> names but does nothing.
> 
> I couldn't parse this.  What does ‘they are exist by names but does nothing’
> mean?
> 
>> ..This is out of scope to discuss this in details, I just want to see
>> the bug URL linked to the bottom of the email i receive thats it.
> 
> Guix' bug tracking software is ‘GNU Bug Tracker’.  You could ask it on
> that project's mailing lists.  Now I see you did that already:
> <https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-debbugs/2021-04/msg00000.html>.
> 
> I don't have anything else to say on this topic; I'm not sending further replies.
> 
> Greetings,
> Maxime.
> 




  reply	other threads:[~2021-04-16 16:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-04-08 17:38 bug#47660: Add link to the ticket when someone reply bo0od
2021-04-08 18:45 ` Leo Famulari
2021-04-09 20:44   ` bo0od
2021-04-10 10:45     ` Maxime Devos
2021-04-10 14:20       ` bo0od
2021-04-10 16:44         ` Maxime Devos
2021-04-10 20:13           ` bo0od
2021-04-15 14:24         ` Bonface Munyoki K.
2021-04-15 17:00           ` bo0od
2021-04-15 17:51             ` Maxime Devos
2021-04-16  2:38               ` bo0od [this message]
2022-03-18  2:56       ` Maxim Cournoyer

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