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From: Andrew Tropin <andrew@trop.in>
To: "Ludovic Courtès" <ludo@gnu.org>
Cc: 65119@debbugs.gnu.org, 宋文武 <iyzsong@envs.net>, paren@disroot.org
Subject: [bug#65119] [PATCH 0/8] Sharing service code between Home and System
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2023 10:03:15 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zg0llp0c.fsf@trop.in> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87a5smik3p.fsf@gnu.org>

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On 2023-10-13 18:05, Ludovic Courtès wrote:

> Hi Andrew,
>
> Andrew Tropin <andrew@trop.in> skribis:
>
>> We have
>>
>> (extensions
>>  (list (service-extension account-service-type
>>                           (const %dicod-accounts))
>>        (service-extension shepherd-root-service-type
>>                           dicod-shepherd-service)))
>>
>>
>> We can do
>>
>> (home-environment
>>  (services
>>   (list (service dicod-service-type)))
>>  (service-mapping
>>   `((,shepherd-root-service-type . ,home-shepherd-service-type)
>>     (,account-service-type . ,ignore-service-type))))
>
> As a user writing the ‘home-environment’ declaration, I don’t want to
> know whether a Home service is implemented by mapping a System service
> to Home, or whether it’s a fully separate implementation.
>
> To me, users shouldn’t have to specify service mappings at all; service
> mapping is a tool at the disposal of service writers.
>
>> Now you can use the same service type and configuration record in
>> both operating-system and home-environment and use/ignore/interpret the
>> configuration fields values based on the environment we are building
>> this thing for.
>>
>> Of course service-mapping default value can be generated upfront and
>> stored in %guix-home-service-mapping or something like that.
>>
>> This way we will get rid of almost all home- services and related
>> configurations.
>>
>> Keep in mind that it's a raw idea, not a well-designed solution yet.
>
> The good thing is that we seem to agree on the general idea of having a
> way to map System services to Home.
>
> My take is that the mapping is an implementation detail that users do
> not need to be aware of.
>
>> The reason I'm suggesting to revert this patch series is because it
>> feels to me as a partial solution on the wrong level of abstraction,
>> which cures the symptoms and also introduces shortcomings and
>> potentially makes it harder to introduce a proper solution in the
>> future.
>
> I disagree with this assessment.
>
>> If this problem is urgent/demanding for you, please invite me for
>> working or collaborating on the solution explicitly, I plan work on it
>> anyway, but probably not earlier than the next year.  I catched this
>> thread accidentially BTW, thanks to 宋文武 for CCing me.
>
> This problem has been discussed pretty much since Home was merged in
> Guix¹; we’ve all had ample time to think about it and to my knowledge
> this patch series is the only proposal that was ever brought.
>
> I’ll close this bug for clarity.  I remain open to discussion on the
> implementation of System -> Home service mapping.  I think further
> discussion should happen in the context of incremental changes to the
> implementation of that mapping mechanism, in a dedicated issue.

👌

-- 
Best regards,
Andrew Tropin

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      reply	other threads:[~2023-10-14  6:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-06 21:04 [bug#65119] [PATCH 0/8] Sharing service code between Home and System Ludovic Courtès
2023-08-06 21:07 ` [bug#65119] [PATCH 1/8] services: dicod: Remove Shepherd < 0.9.0 compatibility layer Ludovic Courtès
2023-08-06 21:07 ` [bug#65119] [PATCH 2/8] services: dicod: Pre-build the GCIDE index Ludovic Courtès
2023-08-06 21:07 ` [bug#65119] [PATCH 3/8] services: syncthing: Use 'match-record' Ludovic Courtès
2023-08-06 21:07 ` [bug#65119] [PATCH 4/8] services: Define 'for-home' Ludovic Courtès
2023-08-06 21:07 ` [bug#65119] [PATCH 5/8] home: services: Support mapping of System services to Home services Ludovic Courtès
2023-08-06 21:07 ` [bug#65119] [PATCH 6/8] home: services: mcron: Define as a mapping of the system service Ludovic Courtès
2023-08-21 15:50   ` Andrew Tropin
2023-08-06 21:07 ` [bug#65119] [PATCH 7/8] home: services: Add dicod Ludovic Courtès
2023-08-06 21:07 ` [bug#65119] [PATCH 8/8] home: services: Add Syncthing Ludovic Courtès
2023-08-13  5:28 ` [bug#65119] [PATCH 0/8] Sharing service code between Home and System 宋文武 via Guix-patches via
2023-08-20 21:23   ` bug#65119: " Ludovic Courtès
2023-08-21 13:43   ` [bug#65119] " Andrew Tropin
2023-08-22 16:25     ` Ludovic Courtès
2023-08-25  6:28       ` Andrew Tropin
2023-09-08 12:42         ` Andrew Tropin
2023-09-08 22:18         ` Ludovic Courtès
2023-09-09 10:42           ` Andrew Tropin
2023-09-13 18:06             ` Ludovic Courtès
2023-09-17  5:28               ` Andrew Tropin
2023-09-17 10:27                 ` Ludovic Courtès
2023-09-13 19:55             ` Ludovic Courtès
2023-09-17  7:01               ` Andrew Tropin
2023-10-13 16:05                 ` Ludovic Courtès
2023-10-14  6:03                   ` Andrew Tropin [this message]

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