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From: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès)
To: Mark H Weaver <mhw@netris.org>
Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Our package names should not include "github-com"
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 15:05:12 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87r2u3dz07.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87r2u6h738.fsf@netris.org> (Mark H. Weaver's message of "Fri, 13 Oct 2017 21:05:31 -0400")

Hi Mark,

Mark H Weaver <mhw@netris.org> skribis:

> Leo Famulari <leo@famulari.name> writes:
>
>> On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 01:12:32PM -0400, Mark H Weaver wrote:
>>> leo@famulari.name (Leo Famulari) writes:
>>> >     gnu: Add go-github-com-templexxx-reedsolomon.
>>> 
>>> On this, and a great many other packages, you've included "github-com-"
>>> in the package names.  I think this is a very bad idea.  For one thing,
>>> we should not advertise, promote, or enhance the lock-in of GitHub, and
>>> this policy does all three.
>>
>> Please don't suggest that I made a policy to promote or enhance GitHub
>> "lock-in". Please keep reading for more information on why the packages
>> are named this way.
>>
>>> Sometimes a maintainer decides to change their hosting arrangements.
>>> When they do so, we should simply be able to update some URLs in one
>>> package definition.  We should not have to do a global find/replace on
>>> the package name and alert our users to update their profiles and OS
>>> definitions.  That contributes to lock-in.
>>
>> These packages are libraries written in the Go programming language. Go
>> libraries are referred to by their "import path" [0], which is a string
>> intended to uniquely identify a particular software implementation.
>>
>> As I wrote in the commentary on the go-build-system (part of the commit
>> series being discussed), import paths are based on the URL of the
>> software. A package hosted at https://github.com/leo/foo has an import
>> path of 'github.com/leo/foo'. In Go, this is the library's name.
>>
>> These import paths are the sole mechanism by which Go software is
>> uniquely referred to by humans and the Go compiler. It is even baked
>> in to how dependencies are organized on disk.
>
> Thanks for the explanation.  I find this very disturbing, but I
> acknowledge that this lock-in is caused by Go itself, and that there's
> probably not much that we can do about it.  Oh well.  I withdraw my
> objection to these package names.

I agree this naming scheme isn’t great, but indeed, that’s what Go gives us.

Besides, Leo gave us 3 weeks to comment on
<https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=28586>.  Thus, I believe
your message should have been framed as a suggestion for improvement
rather than “please fix this mistake”.

Thanks,
Ludo’.

      parent reply	other threads:[~2017-10-16 13:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20171013014334.17601.30718@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org>
     [not found] ` <20171013014344.D813E20338@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org>
2017-10-13 17:12   ` Our package names should not include "github-com" Mark H Weaver
2017-10-13 17:41     ` ng0
2017-10-13 17:44       ` ng0
2017-10-13 20:24     ` Leo Famulari
2017-10-14  1:05       ` Mark H Weaver
2017-10-16  0:41         ` Maxim Cournoyer
2017-10-16 21:38           ` Leo Famulari
2017-10-17 10:44             ` Leo Famulari
2017-10-18  2:09               ` Maxim Cournoyer
2017-10-16 13:05         ` Ludovic Courtès [this message]

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