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From: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès)
To: Danny Milosavljevic <dannym@scratchpost.org>
Cc: 30498@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: [bug#30498] [WIP v2 shepherd] shepherd: If /dev/kmsg is writable, use it for logging.
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2018 13:46:22 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87po4gt5nl.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180306090905.77f528a9@scratchpost.org> (Danny Milosavljevic's message of "Tue, 6 Mar 2018 09:09:05 +0100")

Hello,

Danny Milosavljevic <dannym@scratchpost.org> skribis:

>> There’s one thing we need to improve though: syslogd reads /proc/kmsg
>> and prefixes everything that comes from there with “vmunix” (as if it
>> came from the kernel).  
>
> Also, apparently syslogd uses the timestamp of "when it read the messages
> out of /dev/kmsg" as syslog entry timestamp *although* /dev/kmsg contains its
> own timestamps (as offsets-from-bootup).  Hrmmm...

Yeah, we could teach Inetutils’s syslogd to interpret those timestamps,
although that’s a Linux-specific thing so care must be taken.

> According to the Linux kernel documentation the /dev/kmsg ring buffer is
> specifically allowed to be used by user processes (although they must not
> impersonate the kernel - if they try, the specified priority is ignored),
> so we're in the clear there.

Yeah but still.  From syslogd’s viewpoint, you can only assume that
these messages originate in the kernel.

> Later on, we should use /dev/log and fall back to /dev/kmsg and
> then again use /dev/log as it gets available etc.  I'm not sure
> how to do the synchronisation (from shepherd's point of view,
> syslogd asynchronously reads from /dev/kmsg and puts the messages
> into its output files - so if we write to /dev/kmsg, then to
> /dev/log, then to /dev/kmsg, then to /dev/log, is the message order
> guaranteed?)

syslogd will read a batch of messages from /dev/kmsg when it starts, so
the order is not really honored in this case.  I think that’s OK though,
because we don’t expect users to keep stopping/starting syslogd.   :-)

Thanks,
Ludo’.

  reply	other threads:[~2018-03-07 12:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-02-17 12:20 [bug#30498] [PATCH shepherd] shepherd: If /dev/kmsg is writable, use it for logging Danny Milosavljevic
2018-02-17 12:25 ` Danny Milosavljevic
2018-02-17 16:48 ` [bug#30498] [WIP v2 " Danny Milosavljevic
2018-02-17 16:49   ` Danny Milosavljevic
2018-02-26 18:04   ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-02-26 21:51     ` Danny Milosavljevic
2018-02-27  9:22       ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-02-26 22:32     ` Danny Milosavljevic
2018-02-27  9:19       ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-03-03 21:54         ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-03-03 22:37           ` Danny Milosavljevic
2018-03-05 16:51             ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-03-06  8:09               ` Danny Milosavljevic
2018-03-07 12:46                 ` Ludovic Courtès [this message]
2018-03-07 11:04               ` [bug#30498] [PATCH 0/3] Log to syslog whenever possible Ludovic Courtès
2018-03-07 11:04                 ` [bug#30498] [PATCH 1/3] Turn 'log-output-port' into a parameter Ludovic Courtès
2018-03-07 11:04                 ` [bug#30498] [PATCH 2/3] Simplify 'make-shepherd-output-port' Ludovic Courtès
2018-03-07 11:04                 ` [bug#30498] [PATCH 3/3] Use syslog for logging when running as root Ludovic Courtès
2018-03-07 15:25                 ` [bug#30498] [PATCH 0/3] Log to syslog whenever possible Ludovic Courtès
2018-03-15 17:00                 ` bug#30498: " Ludovic Courtès

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