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From: Pierre Neidhardt <mail@ambrevar.xyz>
To: "Ludovic Courtès" <ludo@gnu.org>,
	"Arun Isaac" <arunisaac@systemreboot.net>
Cc: 39258@debbugs.gnu.org, zimon.toutoune@gmail.com
Subject: [bug#39258] [PATCH v2 0/3] Xapian for Guix package search
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2020 08:50:35 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <877dzuvues.fsf@ambrevar.xyz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <875zffcc87.fsf@gnu.org>

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Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> writes:

> Yeah.  I think we need to take the whole user experience into account,
> not just ‘guix search’.  ‘guix pull’ already feels very slow, and it’s a
> fairly common operation.  Conversely, ‘guix search’ takes roughly
> between 0.5 and 2 seconds and is an uncommon operation on a “slow path”
> (in the sense that when you’re searching for software, you’ll probably
> have to spend more than a couple of seconds to find what you’re looking
> for.)

I think I disagree with "guix search" being an uncommon operation and a
slow path.

- The slowness of `guix search' (and the awkwardness of recutils) is
  maybe what makes it uncommon: users refrain from using it because it's
  too impractical.

- Searches are typically refined, i.e. you run a search multiple times
  by precising the terms, so in that sense I believe `guix search` is a
  very common operation.  Or should be.

Anyways, one of the key issues here is the inherent limitation of the
shell interface that does not allow us to directly and contextually
process the output of a command (at least not without rerunning it).

This issue can only be tackled with a GUI: there the user would be able
to interactively act with the result of the search, without having to
re-run the search.

Concretely, the GUI search would only return the package name, version
and synopses.  No need for the Texinfo / recutils juggling.

Then the user would select the packages of interest to display more
details.  This allows us to query the full details just-in-time.



Back to the topic: I believe that Xapian is a huge win both for the
shell and the future GUI :)

-- 
Pierre Neidhardt
https://ambrevar.xyz/

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-03-09  7:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 126+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-01-23 19:51 [bug#39258] Faster guix search using an sqlite cache Arun Isaac
2020-01-29 23:33 ` zimoun
2020-01-30 13:48   ` Arun Isaac
2020-01-31 12:48     ` zimoun
2020-02-02 21:16       ` Arun Isaac
2020-02-04 10:19         ` zimoun
2020-02-06  1:58           ` Arun Isaac
2020-02-11 16:29             ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-02-11 18:21               ` zimoun
2020-02-11 18:39                 ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-02-11 19:07                   ` Arun Isaac
2020-02-11 20:20                     ` zimoun
2020-02-15 14:50                     ` Arun Isaac
2020-02-11 20:13                   ` zimoun
2020-02-27 20:41 ` [bug#39258] [PATCH 0/4] Xapian for Guix package search Arun Isaac
2020-02-27 20:41   ` [bug#39258] [PATCH 1/4] gnu: Add guile-xapian Arun Isaac
2020-03-03 16:29     ` zimoun
2020-02-27 20:41   ` [bug#39258] [PATCH 2/4] build-self: Add guile-xapian to Guix dependencies Arun Isaac
2020-02-27 20:41   ` [bug#39258] [PATCH 3/4] gnu: Generate xapian package search index Arun Isaac
2020-02-28  8:04     ` Pierre Neidhardt
2020-03-05 20:26       ` Arun Isaac
2020-03-03 18:29     ` zimoun
2020-02-27 20:41   ` [bug#39258] [PATCH 4/4] gnu: Use xapian index for package search Arun Isaac
2020-02-28  8:11     ` Pierre Neidhardt
2020-03-03 19:21     ` zimoun
2020-03-03 19:51       ` zimoun
2020-02-28  8:13   ` [bug#39258] [PATCH 0/4] Xapian for Guix " Pierre Neidhardt
2020-02-28 12:39     ` zimoun
2020-02-28 12:49       ` Pierre Neidhardt
2020-02-28 15:36     ` Arun Isaac
2020-02-28 16:04       ` Arun Isaac
2020-03-02 18:37         ` zimoun
2020-03-02 19:13           ` zimoun
2020-03-03 20:04             ` zimoun
2020-02-29  8:25       ` Arun Isaac
2020-03-02 18:27         ` zimoun
2020-02-28 12:36   ` zimoun
2020-03-05 16:46   ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-03-07 13:31 ` [bug#39258] [PATCH v2 0/3] " Arun Isaac
2020-03-07 13:31   ` [bug#39258] [PATCH v2 1/3] build-self: Add guile-xapian to Guix dependencies Arun Isaac
2020-03-09 18:14     ` zimoun
2020-03-09 23:40     ` Jonathan Brielmaier
2020-03-10  5:24       ` Arun Isaac
2020-03-07 13:31   ` [bug#39258] [PATCH v2 2/3] gnu: Generate Xapian package search index Arun Isaac
2020-03-09 18:19     ` zimoun
2020-03-07 13:31   ` [bug#39258] [PATCH v2 3/3] gnu: Use Xapian index for package search Arun Isaac
2020-03-07 20:33   ` [bug#39258] [PATCH v2 0/3] Xapian for Guix " Ludovic Courtès
2020-03-08  9:01     ` Arun Isaac
2020-03-08 11:33       ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-03-08 20:27         ` Arun Isaac
2020-03-09  7:42           ` Pierre Neidhardt
2020-03-09 12:50             ` zimoun
2020-03-09 10:35           ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-03-10 14:17             ` Arun Isaac
2020-03-10 14:33               ` zimoun
2020-03-11 13:50               ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-03-13  5:37                 ` Arun Isaac
2020-03-15 20:40                   ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-03-09  7:50         ` Pierre Neidhardt [this message]
2020-03-09 10:28           ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-03-09 13:03             ` zimoun
2020-03-09 12:53           ` zimoun
2020-03-09 12:47         ` zimoun
2020-03-09 12:40       ` zimoun
2020-03-09 12:34     ` zimoun
2020-03-08 20:27   ` zimoun
2020-03-08 20:40     ` Arun Isaac
2020-03-09 12:28   ` zimoun
2020-03-27 16:26 ` [bug#39258] [PATCH v3 0/3] Package metadata cache for guix search Arun Isaac
2020-03-27 16:26   ` [bug#39258] [PATCH v3 1/3] guix: Generate package metadata cache Arun Isaac
2020-04-24 20:48     ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-04-26  9:48       ` zimoun
2020-04-26 14:35         ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-04-26 14:54           ` Pierre Neidhardt
2020-04-26 15:33             ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-04-26 15:05           ` zimoun
2020-03-27 16:26   ` [bug#39258] [PATCH v3 2/3] guix: Search " Arun Isaac
2020-04-24 20:58     ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-03-27 16:26   ` [bug#39258] [PATCH v3 3/3] guix: Use package metadata cache for package search Arun Isaac
2020-04-24 21:03     ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-04-05 14:08   ` [bug#39258] [PATCH v3 0/3] Package metadata cache for guix search Ludovic Courtès
2020-04-24 21:05   ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-04-26  3:54 ` [bug#39258] benchmark search: default vs v2 vs v3 zimoun
2020-04-26  7:29   ` Pierre Neidhardt
2020-04-26 15:49   ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-04-26 17:01     ` zimoun
2020-04-26 20:22       ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-04-30 13:10     ` zimoun
2020-05-03 15:01 ` [bug#39258] [PATCH v4 0/3] Faster cache generation (similar as v3) zimoun
2020-05-03 15:01   ` [bug#39258] [PATCH v4 1/3] DRAFT packages: Add fields to packages cache zimoun
2020-05-03 15:01   ` [bug#39258] [PATCH v4 2/3] DRAFT packages: Add new procedure 'fold-packages*' zimoun
2020-05-03 15:01   ` [bug#39258] [PATCH v4 3/3] DRAFT guix package: Use cache in 'find-packages-by-description' zimoun
2020-05-03 16:43   ` [bug#39258] [PATCH v4 0/3] Faster cache generation (similar as v3) Ludovic Courtès
2020-05-03 18:10     ` zimoun
2020-05-03 19:49       ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-06-01  0:00 ` [bug#39258] [PATCH 0/4] Optimize guix search Arun Isaac
2020-06-01  0:00   ` [bug#39258] [PATCH 1/4] ui: Cut off search early if any regexp does not match Arun Isaac
2020-06-09  8:29     ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-06-01  0:00   ` [bug#39258] [PATCH 2/4] ui: Use string matching with literal search strings Arun Isaac
2020-06-09  8:33     ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-06-09  9:55       ` zimoun
2020-06-13 12:37       ` Arun Isaac
2020-06-13 13:36         ` zimoun
2020-06-13 17:21           ` Arun Isaac
2020-06-14 19:14             ` zimoun
2020-06-13 19:32         ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-06-15 20:18           ` Arun Isaac
2020-06-01  0:00   ` [bug#39258] [PATCH 3/4] ui: Do not translate package synopsis a second time Arun Isaac
2020-06-09  8:33     ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-06-01  0:00   ` [bug#39258] [PATCH 4/4] ui: Use package-description-string Arun Isaac
2020-06-09  8:34     ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-06-01  1:25   ` [bug#39258] [PATCH v5 0/4] Optimize guix search zimoun
2020-06-01  2:24     ` Arun Isaac
2020-06-01 10:01     ` zimoun
2020-06-01 10:11 ` [bug#39258] KMP string search algorithm? zimoun
2020-06-01 22:24   ` Leo Famulari
2020-06-01 23:48     ` Arun Isaac
2020-06-02  8:49       ` Ludovic Courtès
2021-07-15  7:33 ` [bug#39258] [PATCH v6 0/2] DRAFT "guix search" performances zimoun
2021-07-15  7:33   ` [bug#39258] [PATCH v6 1/2] DRAFT packages: Add fields to packages cache zimoun
2021-07-17  8:31     ` Arun Isaac
2021-07-23 15:30       ` Ludovic Courtès
2021-08-17 14:03         ` zimoun
2021-07-15  7:33   ` [bug#39258] [PATCH v6 2/2] DRAFT scripts: package: Use cache in 'find-packages-by-description' zimoun
2021-07-23 15:43   ` [bug#39258] [PATCH v6 0/2] DRAFT "guix search" performances Ludovic Courtès
2021-08-20 15:42     ` zimoun

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