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From: Mathieu Othacehe <m.othacehe@gmail.com>
To: Danny Milosavljevic <dannym@scratchpost.org>
Cc: 26339@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#26339: [PATCH] doc: Adapt to multiple bootloader support.
Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 10:11:38 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <86inktux8l.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170520224926.25c8af21@scratchpost.org>


Hi Danny,

> From an understanding standpoint I don't think it's that bad.

My concern is about the new fields, that might be hard to understand.

>
> What worries me more is that now AND BEFORE, you can't boot anything other than Linux, no bootsector chainloading or anything.
>
> I'm not sure what the use case that "menu-entries" is trying to address is, then.  I mean both the current generation and previous generations are automatically there and you can't specify any menu-entries but Linux, so what are you gonna specify?  Also, <operating-system> already allows overriding kernel-arguments, too.
>
> Luckily, Tomáš Čech just noticed that "menu-entries" changed, so presumably he uses it.  Will ask what use case he has...

Based on Tomáš answer, I guess menu-entries are used to boot on other
Linux distributions. "reconfigure" is not able to "see" those distributions by
himself, so the only way to add them to bootloader configuration is via
menu-entries.

>
>> +(boot-parameters
>>    (label "The Other Distro")
>> -  (linux "/boot/old/vmlinux-2.6.32")
>> -  (linux-arguments '("root=/dev/sda2"))
>> +  (root-device "my-root")
>> +  (boot-name 'grub)
>> +  (store-device "my-root")
>> +  (store-mount-point "/")
>> +  (kernel "/boot/old/vmlinux-2.6.32")
>> +  (kernel-arguments '("root=/dev/sda2"))
>>    (initrd "/boot/old/initrd"))
>>  @end example
>
> This here isn't so bad.
>
>> +@item @code{root-device}
>> +The root device identifier. It has to correspond exactly to the device
>> +field of the <file-system> object representing the OS's root file
>> +system, so it might be a device path like @code{"/dev/sda3"}.
>> +
>> +@item @code{boot-device}
>
> Did you mean "boot-name" ?

Yes it's a mistake :)

>
>> +The name of the bootloader used to boot this entry (@code{'grub} or
>> +@code{'syslinux} for instance).
>
> This one is a strange implementation detail to expose for menu entries, though.  Maybe have operating-system-bootcfg magically complete it if it's unset?

Yes I totally agree. Maybe set it to 'unknown by default ?

>
> Then add here "If in doubt, don't specify it.".

Ok.

>
>> +@item @code{store-device}
>> +The device where the kernel and initrd are to be found---i.e., for GRUB
>> +@dfn{root} for this menu entry (@pxref{root,,, grub, GNU GRUB manual}).
>> +
>> +Depending on the bootloader, this may be a file system label (a
>> +string), a file system UUID (a bytevector, @pxref{File Systems}), or
>> +@code{#f}. If set to @code{#f}, GRUB will search the device containing
>> +the file specified by the @code{linux} field (@pxref{search,,, grub,
>> +GNU GRUB manual}).  It must @emph{not} be an OS device name such as
>> +@file{/dev/sda1}.
>
> Maybe default to #f in <boot-parameters> in gnu/system.scm ?
>
> Then add here "If in doubt, don't specify it.".
>

Ok.

>> +@item @code{store-mount-point}
>> +The mount point of the above device on the system.  You probably want
>> +to set it to @code{"/"}.  GuixSD uses it to strip the prefix of store
>> +file names for systems where @file{/gnu} or @file{/gnu/store} is on a
>> +separate partition.
>
> Maybe default to "/" in <boot-parameters? in gnu/system.scm ?
>
> Then add here "If in doubt, don't specify it.".

Ok.

>
> That would make the amount of new fields the user has to specify to one, just "root-device".
>

Yes seems better.

> That said, I'm wondering whether we should keep menu-entries at all (or if we do, maybe make it bootloader-specific like it was? At least then you can add entries that Guix doesn't use already).  Let's see what Tomáš says it's for :)

I'll propose a new patch.

Thanks !

Mathieu

  reply	other threads:[~2017-05-22  8:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 204+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-04-02 13:49 bug#26339: [PATCH 00/18] wip: Support non grub bootloaders Mathieu Othacehe
2017-04-02 13:52 ` bug#26339: [PATCH 01/18] system: Pass <bootloader-parameter> to grub Mathieu Othacehe
2017-04-02 13:52   ` bug#26339: [PATCH 02/18] system: Add extlinux support Mathieu Othacehe
2017-04-15 16:03     ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-05-08 20:06     ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-05-09  7:38       ` Mathieu Othacehe
2017-05-09  9:51         ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-05-09 14:30           ` Mathieu Othacehe
2017-05-09 20:40             ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-05-12  0:02               ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-05-12  8:26                 ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-05-12 11:26                   ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-05-12 11:36                     ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-05-12 12:18                       ` Mathieu Othacehe
2017-05-13  9:53                         ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-05-14  7:49                           ` Mathieu Othacehe
2017-05-09 10:25         ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-05-09 14:32           ` Mathieu Othacehe
2017-04-02 13:52   ` bug#26339: [PATCH 03/18] scripts: system: Rename --no-grub option to --no-bootloader Mathieu Othacehe
2017-04-15 10:10     ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-04-16  9:58       ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-04-02 13:52   ` bug#26339: [PATCH 04/18] bootloader: Add install procedures and use them Mathieu Othacehe
2017-04-15 16:22     ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-04-15 17:15       ` Mathieu Othacehe
2017-04-16 21:37         ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-04-17  8:49           ` Mathieu Othacehe
2017-04-18  8:23             ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-04-02 13:52   ` bug#26339: [PATCH 05/18] system: Rename operating-system-grub.cfg to operating-system-bootcfg Mathieu Othacehe
2017-04-15 12:44     ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-04-02 13:52   ` bug#26339: [PATCH 06/18] vm: Reword grub.cfg to boot.cfg Mathieu Othacehe
2017-04-15 12:43     ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-04-02 13:52   ` bug#26339: [PATCH 07/18] system: Add bootloader type Mathieu Othacehe
2017-04-15 16:26     ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-04-15 17:23       ` Mathieu Othacehe
2017-04-15 20:16         ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-04-02 13:52   ` bug#26339: [PATCH 08/18] bootloader: Stop using grub module Mathieu Othacehe
2017-04-15 13:33     ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-04-15 16:44     ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-04-02 13:52   ` bug#26339: [PATCH 09/18] scripts: system: Move save-load-path-excursion and save-environment-excursion macros to the top Mathieu Othacehe
2017-04-15 10:35     ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-04-15 10:46       ` Mathieu Othacehe
2017-04-15 11:30         ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-04-15 11:41           ` Mathieu Othacehe
2017-04-15 11:52             ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-04-02 13:52   ` bug#26339: [PATCH 10/18] system: Rename kernel->grub-label to kernel->boot-label Mathieu Othacehe
2017-04-15 10:40     ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-04-02 13:52   ` bug#26339: [PATCH 11/18] bootloader: Add device and type to bootloader-configuration record Mathieu Othacehe
2017-04-02 13:52   ` bug#26339: [PATCH 12/18] system: Rename grub-device to fs->boot-device Mathieu Othacehe
2017-04-15 12:45     ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-04-02 13:52   ` bug#26339: [PATCH 13/18] scripts: system: Remove unused variables Mathieu Othacehe
2017-04-02 13:52   ` bug#26339: [PATCH 14/18] scripts: system: Rename grub? and install-grub? to bootloader? and install-bootloader? Mathieu Othacehe
2017-04-15 13:25     ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-04-02 13:52   ` bug#26339: [PATCH 15/18] scripts: system: Adapt "reconfigure" to new bootloader API Mathieu Othacehe
2017-04-02 13:52   ` bug#26339: [PATCH 16/18] scripts: system: Adapt "init" " Mathieu Othacehe
2017-04-02 13:52   ` bug#26339: [PATCH 17/18] scripts: system: Adapt "switch-generation" " Mathieu Othacehe
2017-04-15 16:47     ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-04-15 17:27       ` Mathieu Othacehe
2017-05-05  7:13         ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-05-05  7:21           ` Mathieu Othacehe
2017-04-15 18:17       ` problem with commit abae042 Mathieu Othacehe
2017-04-15 18:56         ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-04-15 19:13           ` Mathieu Othacehe
2017-04-15 19:50         ` bootloader and kernel arguments "--root", "--system", "--load" Danny Milosavljevic
2017-04-15 23:18         ` bug#26339: problem with commit abae042 Leo Famulari
2017-04-15 23:22           ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-04-15 23:56             ` Leo Famulari
2017-04-02 13:52   ` bug#26339: [PATCH 18/18] scripts: system: Display bootloader device and type in "list-generations" Mathieu Othacehe
2017-04-02 18:24   ` bug#26339: [PATCH 01/18] system: Pass <bootloader-parameter> to grub David Craven
2017-04-15 13:04   ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-04-15 13:58   ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-04-15 15:39     ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-04-15 20:17   ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-04-17  9:01 ` bug#26339: [PATCH v2 00/12] Support for non grub bootloaders Mathieu Othacehe
2017-04-17  9:01   ` bug#26339: [PATCH v2 01/12] system: Pass <bootloader-parameter> to grub Mathieu Othacehe
2017-04-17 17:08     ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-05-08  9:37     ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-05-08 13:51       ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-05-08 15:00         ` Mathieu Othacehe
2017-05-09 14:16           ` Marius Bakke
2017-05-09 14:36             ` Mathieu Othacehe
2017-05-08 19:47         ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-05-08 20:04           ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-05-09  7:03             ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-05-09  7:21               ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-05-09  9:45                 ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-05-08 20:16           ` bug#26339: [PATCH] system: Remove circular dependency between (gnu system) and (gnu system grub) Danny Milosavljevic
2017-05-08 21:01             ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-05-08 14:53       ` bug#26339: [PATCH v2 01/12] system: Pass <bootloader-parameter> to grub Mathieu Othacehe
2017-04-17  9:01   ` bug#26339: [PATCH v2 02/12] system: Add extlinux support Mathieu Othacehe
2017-04-17  9:01   ` bug#26339: [PATCH v2 03/12] scripts: system: Rename --no-grub option to --no-bootloader Mathieu Othacehe
2017-04-17 15:54     ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-04-17  9:01   ` bug#26339: [PATCH v2 04/12] bootloader: Add install procedures and use them Mathieu Othacehe
2017-04-17  9:01   ` bug#26339: [PATCH v2 05/12] system: Add bootloader type Mathieu Othacehe
2017-04-17  9:01   ` bug#26339: [PATCH v2 06/12] bootloader: Stop using grub module Mathieu Othacehe
2017-04-17  9:01   ` bug#26339: [PATCH v2 07/12] bootloader: Add device and type to bootloader-configuration record Mathieu Othacehe
2017-04-17  9:01   ` bug#26339: [PATCH v2 08/12] scripts: system: Remove unused variables Mathieu Othacehe
2017-04-17  9:01   ` bug#26339: [PATCH v2 09/12] scripts: system: Adapt "reconfigure" to new bootloader API Mathieu Othacehe
2017-04-17  9:01   ` bug#26339: [PATCH v2 10/12] scripts: system: Adapt "init" " Mathieu Othacehe
2017-04-23  8:39     ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-04-23  8:53       ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-04-23 16:38         ` Mathieu Othacehe
2017-04-23 16:34       ` Mathieu Othacehe
2017-04-17  9:01   ` bug#26339: [PATCH v2 11/12] scripts: system: Adapt "switch-generation" " Mathieu Othacehe
2017-04-17  9:01   ` bug#26339: [PATCH v2 12/12] scripts: system: Display bootloader device and type in "list-generations" Mathieu Othacehe
2017-05-06 15:41 ` bug#26339: [PATCH v3 0/9] Support non-grub bootloaders Mathieu Othacehe
2017-05-06 15:41   ` bug#26339: [PATCH v3 1/9] system: Add extlinux support Mathieu Othacehe
2017-05-07 16:41     ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-05-07 20:01       ` Mathieu Othacehe
2017-05-06 15:41   ` bug#26339: [PATCH v3 2/9] bootloader: Add install procedures and use them Mathieu Othacehe
2017-05-07 16:52     ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-05-06 15:41   ` bug#26339: [PATCH v3 3/9] system: Add bootloader type Mathieu Othacehe
2017-05-07 16:55     ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-05-06 15:41   ` bug#26339: [PATCH v3 4/9] bootloader: Stop using grub module Mathieu Othacehe
2017-05-07 16:53     ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-05-06 15:41   ` bug#26339: [PATCH v3 5/9] bootloader: Add device and type to bootloader-configuration record Mathieu Othacehe
2017-05-07 20:59     ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-05-06 15:41   ` bug#26339: [PATCH v3 6/9] scripts: system: Adapt "reconfigure" to new bootloader API Mathieu Othacehe
2017-05-07 20:33     ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-05-07 20:56       ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-05-08 16:24         ` Mathieu Othacehe
2017-05-08 16:21       ` Mathieu Othacehe
2017-05-07 21:14     ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-05-08 16:27       ` Mathieu Othacehe
2017-05-06 15:41   ` bug#26339: [PATCH v3 7/9] scripts: system: Adapt "init" " Mathieu Othacehe
2017-05-07 21:08     ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-05-08 16:26       ` Mathieu Othacehe
2017-05-06 15:41   ` bug#26339: [PATCH v3 8/9] scripts: system: Adapt "switch-generation" " Mathieu Othacehe
2017-05-07 20:54     ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-05-08 16:22       ` Mathieu Othacehe
2017-05-06 15:41   ` bug#26339: [PATCH v3 9/9] scripts: system: Display bootloader device and type in "list-generations" Mathieu Othacehe
2017-05-07 16:57     ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-05-14  7:47 ` bug#26339: [PATCH v4 0/7] Support non grub bootloaders Mathieu Othacehe
2017-05-14  7:47   ` bug#26339: [PATCH v4 1/7] bootloader: Add extlinux support Mathieu Othacehe
2017-05-14  8:43     ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-05-16 12:46       ` Mathieu Othacehe
2017-05-14 13:25     ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-05-16 12:51       ` Mathieu Othacehe
2017-05-16 14:38         ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-05-16 14:50           ` Mathieu Othacehe
2017-05-16 15:00             ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-05-16 15:03               ` Mathieu Othacehe
2017-05-14 13:35     ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-05-16 12:55       ` Mathieu Othacehe
2017-05-14  7:47   ` bug#26339: [PATCH v4 2/7] bootloader: Adapt vm to new bootloader API Mathieu Othacehe
2017-05-14  8:47     ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-05-14 13:28     ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-05-14 14:59       ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-05-14 19:53         ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-05-14  7:47   ` bug#26339: [PATCH v4 3/7] bootloader: Add bootloader name to boot-parameters record Mathieu Othacehe
2017-05-14  8:47     ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-05-14 13:29       ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-05-14  7:48   ` bug#26339: [PATCH v4 4/7] scripts: system: Adapt "reconfigure" to new bootloader API Mathieu Othacehe
2017-05-14  8:50     ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-05-14 13:31     ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-05-14  7:48   ` bug#26339: [PATCH v4 5/7] scripts: system: Adapt "init" " Mathieu Othacehe
2017-05-14  8:51     ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-05-14 13:31       ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-05-14  7:48   ` bug#26339: [PATCH v4 6/7] scripts: system: Adapt "switch-generation" " Mathieu Othacehe
2017-05-14  8:52     ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-05-14 13:32       ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-05-14  8:54     ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-05-16 12:46       ` Mathieu Othacehe
2017-05-14  7:48   ` bug#26339: [PATCH v4 7/7] scripts: system: Display bootloader name in "list-generations" Mathieu Othacehe
2017-05-14 13:33     ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-05-16 13:03 ` bug#26339: [PATCH] doc: Adapt to multiple bootloader support Mathieu Othacehe
2017-05-20 20:49   ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-05-22  8:11     ` Mathieu Othacehe [this message]
2017-05-20 21:12   ` Tomáš Čech
2017-05-20 21:19     ` Mathieu Othacehe
2017-05-18 10:13 ` bug#26339: [PATCH] bootloader: extlinux: Add extlinux-bootloader-gpt Mathieu Othacehe
2017-06-12 20:23   ` [bug#26339] " Ludovic Courtès
2017-06-13 17:52     ` Mathieu Othacehe
2017-06-14  7:37       ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-06-13 14:34   ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-05-18 10:26 ` bug#26339: [PATCH] tests: Add syslinux gpt test Mathieu Othacehe
2017-06-12 20:29   ` [bug#26339] " Ludovic Courtès
2017-06-19 16:55     ` Mathieu Othacehe
2017-06-20 20:13       ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-06-21  8:05         ` Mathieu Othacehe
2017-05-21 13:57 ` bug#26339: [PATCH] scripts: system: Handle unspecified bootloader package and installer Mathieu Othacehe
2017-06-12 20:32   ` [bug#26339] " Ludovic Courtès
2017-06-10  8:53 ` bug#26339: [PATCH] bootloader: Rename boot-name to bootloader-name Mathieu Othacehe
2017-06-10 14:26   ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-06-10 16:33     ` Mathieu Othacehe
2017-06-11  8:42     ` Mathieu Othacehe
2017-06-11  9:54       ` bug#26339: "extlinux", "extlinux" gpt, bootloader-configuration without package nor installer Danny Milosavljevic
2017-06-11 10:13         ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-06-12  9:58         ` [bug#26339] " Mathieu Othacehe
2017-06-12 20:09           ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-06-12 20:20         ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-06-13  5:07           ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-10-04 14:55             ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-10-04 19:56               ` Mathieu Othacehe
2017-10-13 14:08 ` bug#26339: closing bootloader serie Mathieu Othacehe
2017-10-13 15:31   ` [bug#26339] " Ludovic Courtès
2017-10-26  9:43     ` Mathieu Othacehe
2017-10-26 17:14       ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-10-26 17:33         ` Mathieu Othacehe
2017-10-26 22:20           ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-10-27  7:52             ` bug#26339: " Mathieu Othacehe
2017-10-29 15:47               ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-11-09 10:47                 ` GuixSD on armhf Mathieu Othacehe
2017-11-10 23:39                   ` Chris Marusich
2017-11-11 11:35                   ` Ludovic Courtès

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