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From: Bruno Victal <mirai@makinata.eu>
To: Maxim Cournoyer <maxim.cournoyer@gmail.com>
Cc: 63082@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#63082: [PATCH 14/17] services: mpd: Obsolete 'environment-variables' field.
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2023 18:23:34 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2e5d3ddb-5948-de11-4fa5-da02e848a8e6@makinata.eu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <874joyaad3.fsf@gmail.com>

On 2023-04-29 18:04, Maxim Cournoyer wrote:
> Hi Bruno,
> 
> Bruno Victal <mirai@makinata.eu> writes:
> 
>> On 2023-04-28 15:27, Maxim Cournoyer wrote:
>>> Rationale: Services can be extended via the simple-service mechanism instead
>>> of having to expose fields on service configurations that are not directly
>>> connected to the service's configuration.
>>>
>>> * gnu/services/audio.scm (mpd-environment-variables-sanitizer): New sanitizer.
>>> (mpd-configuration): Use it.
>>> (mpd-shepherd-service): Hard code the useful environment variables inside the
>>> Shepherd service.
>>> ---
>>
>> This field shouldn't be deprecated as one of it's primary purposes is to allow for
>> the pulseaudio daemon configuration to be set to another one.
>> What you're doing here is effectively hardcoding the pulseaudio configuration.
> 
> Our only means to declare a pulseaudio configuration
> (pulseaudio-service-type) places it at this location, so it seems
> reasonable to hard code it.  What use case do you have for a custom
> pulseaudio configuration that pulseaudio-service-type could not cater
> to?  This prevents users defining another environment variable and
> forgetting to replace these, then wondering why the default pulse
> configuration doesn't work, and it felt out of place to me (an
> implementation detail better encapsulated).

Indeed but note that there's a small subtlety to pulseaudio-service-type, chiefly that
the service is not your typical ¿monodaemonic? process that is used throughout the system,
rather it simply provides you a default config for the pulseaudio daemon.
The fact that multiple pulseaudio daemons can be launched alongside is a strong indicator that
perhaps you will want for some of them to use different configurations, which is done via the
environment variables.

Right now this would be mainly achieved using local-file, text-file or specifying a path
but in theory the procedures for pulseaudio-service-type could be reused for serializing
configurations to be used outside of the service.

Regarding the users forgetting the variables, it looks obvious that if you omit the default
values there then the behavior will also change accordingly.
If you strongly feel that this is very pitfall prone (IMO it's no worse than forgetting to add %base-services
at the end of the services field) then perhaps documenting it would suffice?

> 
>> I'd consider this field to be within the same category as
>> 'shepherd-requirement', it's for flexibility
> 
> I like the idea of more flexibility, but I don't like that these fields
> need to be duplicated for each service, somewhat encumbering the view.
> Perhaps we need to devise some 'always nice to have' set that would be
> configurable for any service without having to expose these fields as
> part of their main configuration?
> 

Right, it's not optimal but these are fields with legitimate uses, instituting rigidity here will simply
make the services overly opinionated to some particular kind of setup, which drastically reduces their value.

Regarding their duplication, perhaps an improvement for define-record-type* would be better?
SRFI-136 seems something that would address these concerns.




  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-29 18:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 105+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-04-26  2:58 bug#63082: mpd defaul configuration does not work ('No database' error) Maxim Cournoyer
2023-04-26  3:11 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-04-26 18:28   ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2023-04-28 14:26 ` bug#63082: [PATCH 00/17] Improve out-of-the-box experience with mpd-service-type Maxim Cournoyer
2023-04-28 14:26   ` bug#63082: [PATCH 01/17] services: mpd: Add an 'update' action to trigger a database update Maxim Cournoyer
2023-04-28 14:26   ` bug#63082: [PATCH 02/17] services: mpd: Streamline mpd-user-sanitizer and mympd-user-sanitizer Maxim Cournoyer
2023-04-28 14:26   ` bug#63082: [PATCH 03/17] services: mpd: Rename %set-user-group to set-user-group Maxim Cournoyer
2023-04-28 14:26   ` bug#63082: [PATCH 04/17] services: mpd: Obsolete the 'group' field Maxim Cournoyer
2023-04-28 21:50     ` Bruno Victal
2023-04-29  1:15       ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-04-29 12:12         ` Bruno Victal
2023-04-29 17:12           ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-04-29  6:26     ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2023-04-29  6:35       ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2023-04-29 17:09         ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-04-29 17:16         ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-04-29 22:07           ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2023-05-01  1:07             ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-05-01  6:13               ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2023-05-03  1:53                 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-04-28 14:26   ` bug#63082: [PATCH 05/17] services: mpd: List log-level in decreasing verbosity order in doc Maxim Cournoyer
2023-04-28 14:26   ` bug#63082: [PATCH 06/17] services: mympd: Fix log file name Maxim Cournoyer
2023-04-28 21:53     ` Bruno Victal
2023-04-29  1:49       ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-04-29  1:56         ` Bruno Victal
2023-04-28 14:27   ` bug#63082: [PATCH 07/17] services: mpd: Log to syslog by default Maxim Cournoyer
2023-04-28 22:02     ` Bruno Victal
2023-04-29 16:06       ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-04-28 14:27   ` bug#63082: [PATCH 08/17] services: mpd: Only rotate log when a log file is specified Maxim Cournoyer
2023-04-28 14:27   ` bug#63082: [PATCH 09/17] services: mpd: Let Shepherd effect the user/group change Maxim Cournoyer
2023-04-28 22:11     ` Bruno Victal
2023-04-29 16:52       ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-04-28 14:27   ` bug#63082: [PATCH 10/17] system: accounts: Export <user-account> Maxim Cournoyer
2023-04-28 14:27   ` bug#63082: [PATCH 11/17] services: mpd: Warn when the MPD user is not in the "audio" group Maxim Cournoyer
2023-04-29  6:29     ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2023-04-29 17:10       ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-04-28 14:27   ` bug#63082: [PATCH 12/17] services: mpd: Auto-detect mpd-output mixer type by default Maxim Cournoyer
2023-04-28 14:27   ` bug#63082: [PATCH 13/17] services: mpd: Fix indentation Maxim Cournoyer
2023-04-28 14:27   ` bug#63082: [PATCH 14/17] services: mpd: Obsolete 'environment-variables' field Maxim Cournoyer
2023-04-28 22:17     ` Bruno Victal
2023-04-29 17:04       ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-04-29 17:23         ` Bruno Victal [this message]
2023-05-03  1:44           ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-05-04 16:21             ` Bruno Victal
2023-05-05 14:44               ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-04-28 14:27   ` bug#63082: [PATCH 15/17] services: mpd: Provision a default cache directory and set HOME Maxim Cournoyer
2023-04-28 22:22     ` Bruno Victal
2023-04-29 17:07       ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-04-28 14:27   ` bug#63082: [PATCH 16/17] services: mpd: Update basic example Maxim Cournoyer
2023-04-28 14:27   ` bug#63082: [PATCH 17/17] services: Avoid 'delete' overrides warning in audio module Maxim Cournoyer
2023-04-29 17:21 ` bug#63082: [PATCH v2 00/16] Improve out-of-the-box experience with mpd-service-type Maxim Cournoyer
2023-04-29 17:21   ` bug#63082: [PATCH v2 01/16] services: mpd: Add an 'update' action to trigger a database update Maxim Cournoyer
2023-04-29 17:21   ` bug#63082: [PATCH v2 02/16] services: mpd: Streamline mpd-user-sanitizer and mympd-user-sanitizer Maxim Cournoyer
2023-04-29 17:21   ` bug#63082: [PATCH v2 03/16] services: mpd: Rename %set-user-group to set-user-group Maxim Cournoyer
2023-04-29 17:21   ` bug#63082: [PATCH v2 04/16] services: mpd: Obsolete the 'group' field Maxim Cournoyer
2023-05-05  0:38     ` Bruno Victal
2023-05-05 15:09       ` bug#63082: mpd defaul configuration does not work ('No database' error) Maxim Cournoyer
2023-04-29 17:21   ` bug#63082: [PATCH v2 05/16] services: mpd: List log-level in decreasing verbosity order in doc Maxim Cournoyer
2023-04-29 17:21   ` bug#63082: [PATCH v2 06/16] services: mpd; Refactor start slot directory initialization Maxim Cournoyer
2023-04-29 17:21   ` bug#63082: [PATCH v2 07/16] services: mpd: Log to syslog by default Maxim Cournoyer
2023-04-29 17:21   ` bug#63082: [PATCH v2 08/16] services: mpd: Do not rotate logs when using syslog Maxim Cournoyer
2023-04-29 17:21   ` bug#63082: [PATCH v2 09/16] services: mpd: Let Shepherd effect the user/group change Maxim Cournoyer
2023-04-29 17:21   ` bug#63082: [PATCH v2 10/16] system: accounts: Export <user-account> Maxim Cournoyer
2023-04-29 17:21   ` bug#63082: [PATCH v2 11/16] services: mpd: Warn when the MPD user is not in the "audio" group Maxim Cournoyer
2023-04-29 17:21   ` bug#63082: [PATCH v2 12/16] services: mpd: Auto-detect mpd-output mixer type by default Maxim Cournoyer
2023-04-29 17:21   ` bug#63082: [PATCH v2 13/16] services: mpd: Obsolete 'environment-variables' field Maxim Cournoyer
2023-04-29 17:21   ` bug#63082: [PATCH v2 14/16] services: mpd: Provision a default cache directory and set HOME Maxim Cournoyer
2023-04-29 17:21   ` bug#63082: [PATCH v2 15/16] services: mpd: Update basic example Maxim Cournoyer
2023-04-29 17:21   ` bug#63082: [PATCH v2 16/16] services: Avoid 'delete' overrides warning in audio module Maxim Cournoyer
2023-05-05 18:28 ` bug#63082: [PATCH v3 00/16] Improve out-of-the-box experience with mpd-service-type Maxim Cournoyer
2023-05-05 18:28   ` bug#63082: [PATCH v3 01/16] services: mpd: Add auto-update? field to mpd-configuration Maxim Cournoyer
2023-05-05 18:28   ` bug#63082: [PATCH v3 02/16] services: mpd: Add an 'update' action to trigger a database update Maxim Cournoyer
2023-05-24 16:00     ` Bruno Victal
2023-07-25 20:48       ` bug#63082: mpd defaul configuration does not work ('No database' error) Maxim Cournoyer
2023-07-26 14:02         ` Bruno Victal
2023-07-26 16:12           ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-05-05 18:28   ` bug#63082: [PATCH v3 03/16] services: mpd: Streamline mpd-user-sanitizer and mympd-user-sanitizer Maxim Cournoyer
2023-05-05 18:28   ` bug#63082: [PATCH v3 04/16] services: mpd: Rename %set-user-group to set-user-group Maxim Cournoyer
2023-05-05 19:42     ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2023-05-07  2:37       ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-05-24 16:09     ` Bruno Victal
2023-05-05 18:29   ` bug#63082: [PATCH v3 05/16] services: mpd: Obsolete the 'group' field Maxim Cournoyer
2023-05-05 19:51     ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2023-05-07  2:55       ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-05-07  5:35         ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2023-05-07 18:12           ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-05-07 18:31             ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2023-05-08  1:05               ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-05-08 17:21                 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2023-05-05 18:29   ` bug#63082: [PATCH v3 06/16] services: mpd: List log-level in decreasing verbosity order in doc Maxim Cournoyer
2023-05-05 18:29   ` bug#63082: [PATCH v3 07/16] services: mpd; Refactor start slot directory initialization Maxim Cournoyer
2023-05-24 16:26     ` Bruno Victal
2023-07-25 20:07       ` bug#63082: mpd defaul configuration does not work ('No database' error) Maxim Cournoyer
2023-05-05 18:29   ` bug#63082: [PATCH v3 08/16] services: mpd: Log to syslog by default Maxim Cournoyer
2023-05-05 18:29   ` bug#63082: [PATCH v3 09/16] services: mpd: Do not rotate logs when using syslog Maxim Cournoyer
2023-05-05 18:29   ` bug#63082: [PATCH v3 10/16] services: mpd: Let Shepherd effect the user/group change Maxim Cournoyer
2023-05-24 16:41     ` Bruno Victal
2023-07-25 19:39       ` bug#63082: mpd defaul configuration does not work ('No database' error) Maxim Cournoyer
2023-07-26 15:54       ` bug#63082: [PATCH v3 10/16] services: mpd: Let Shepherd effect the user/group change Maxim Cournoyer
2023-05-05 18:29   ` bug#63082: [PATCH v3 11/16] system: accounts: Export <user-account> Maxim Cournoyer
2023-05-05 18:29   ` bug#63082: [PATCH v3 12/16] services: mpd: Warn when the MPD user is not in the "audio" group Maxim Cournoyer
2023-05-05 18:29   ` bug#63082: [PATCH v3 13/16] services: mpd: Auto-detect mpd-output mixer type by default Maxim Cournoyer
2023-05-05 18:29   ` bug#63082: [PATCH v3 14/16] services: mpd: Provision a default cache directory and set HOME Maxim Cournoyer
2023-05-05 18:29   ` bug#63082: [PATCH v3 15/16] services: mpd: Update basic example Maxim Cournoyer
2023-05-05 18:29   ` bug#63082: [PATCH v3 16/16] services: Avoid 'delete' overrides warning in audio module Maxim Cournoyer

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