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From: Wojtek Kosior via "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." <guix-devel@gnu.org>
To: Felix Lechner <felix.lechner@lease-up.com>
Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Mixing GPL and non-copyleft code in source files
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2023 19:19:05 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20231223191905.168b3fad.koszko@koszko.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87tto9oo6q.fsf@lease-up.com>

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> I would offer a chronological list of my downloadable contributions to
> Guix and place the following wording on top of the page:
> 
> "I disagree with the licensing model embraced by GNU Guix and hereby
> release my contributions there under the CC-0 license. For convenience,
> you can also use the patches below."

Does this wording sound a bit too harsh on Guix or is it just my
impression?  Free software hackers do have my respect, even if their
licensing ethics is slightly different than mine.

> The hurdle is that as a Guix maintainer, I would not accept your
> dual-licensing statements into my project.

It's more or less the same hurdle as with the HR people.  When someone is
an idealist — or just "weird" — they often won't give even a *chance* to
*try* to prove being useful or good at sth.

Us, free software folks, are notoriously marginalized and pushed into
depression in these and other situation — many of you surely
experienced it.  And it's extra hurtful when even offers of *unpaid*
help get rejected (whoever offered to install a libre operating system
on a friend's device, knows this).

Now, should such marginalization be repeated even within the freesw
circles?  If it is harmful to block ppl from participating in the
society using libre software (as universities, tax offices, etc. are
doing) — and one disapproves it — then one will make efforts to avoid
similar harmful exclusions in one's own micro-society, right?

Sadly, in the end those more idealistic risk more marginalization and
therefore greater depression — all while probably caring the most…


Since we're having this discussion just before holiday, let me finish
with wishes of Merry Christmas.  To everyone on this mailing list,
regardless of how this discussion ends for us.  I'll take this time
as an opportunity for pray for all the Guixers to be saints o:)

Best
Wojtek

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On Fri, 22 Dec 2023 14:41:17 -0800 Felix Lechner <felix.lechner@lease-up.com> wrote:

> Hi Wojtek,
> 
> On Fri, Dec 22 2023, Wojtek Kosior wrote:
> 
> > I'm not sure how an "appropriate note" would look like.  Where do you
> > imagine it?  
> 
> I would offer a chronological list of my downloadable contributions to
> Guix and place the following wording on top of the page:
> 
> "I disagree with the licensing model embraced by GNU Guix and hereby
> release my contributions there under the CC-0 license. For convenience,
> you can also use the patches below."
> 
> The hurdle is that as a Guix maintainer, I would not accept your
> dual-licensing statements into my project.
> 
> > I believe we have ... different attitude to making use of legal force  
> 
> You are probably right. I'm a complete pushover, especially in the
> wintertime.
> 
> Kind regards
> Felix

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  reply	other threads:[~2023-12-23 18:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-12-22 16:53 Mixing GPL and non-copyleft code in source files Wojtek Kosior via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
2023-12-22 18:00 ` Felix Lechner via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
2023-12-22 21:06   ` Wojtek Kosior via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
2023-12-22 22:41     ` Felix Lechner via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
2023-12-23 18:19       ` Wojtek Kosior via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution. [this message]
2023-12-24  2:41         ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2023-12-24  4:15           ` Nguyễn Gia Phong via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
2023-12-27  9:25             ` Wojtek Kosior via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
2023-12-27  9:22           ` Wojtek Kosior via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
2023-12-27 18:31             ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2024-01-03 17:46               ` Wojtek Kosior via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
2024-01-03 20:19                 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2024-01-03 21:22                   ` Wojtek Kosior via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
2024-01-04  5:30                     ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2024-01-03 20:32                 ` Vagrant Cascadian
2024-01-04  1:24                   ` Philip McGrath
2024-01-03 18:17             ` Alexandre Oliva
2024-01-03 21:17               ` Wojtek Kosior via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
2024-01-04 11:49           ` Alexandre Oliva

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