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From: Nils Gillmann <ng0@n0.is>
To: "Ludovic Courtès" <ludo@gnu.org>
Cc: 27284@debbugs.gnu.org, Maxim Cournoyer <maxim.cournoyer@gmail.com>
Subject: bug#27284: ‘guix pull’ builds using multiple derivations
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 19:25:18 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180327192518.rynrei7mr3qk3ocl@abyayala> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87d0zpyj5d.fsf_-_@gnu.org>

Awesome news!

Ludovic Courtès transcribed 3.1K bytes:
> Hello Guix!
> 
> News from the front!  I’ve pushed a new ‘wip-pull-multiple-derivations’
> branch that keeps the same approach as previously proposed (building
> Guix using multiple derivation, one for each group of modules: core,
> CLI, packages, etc.), but does not attempt to reload modules in the
> running Guile process, which proved to be too tricky.
> 
> You can already test with:
> 
>   guix pull --branch=wip-pull-multiple-derivations
>
> Feedback welcome!

I think you forgot to push it or you are on a very slow connection :)
 
> This patch set actually addresses a bootstrapping issue: you need Guix
> to build Guix.  So far ‘guix pull’ would sidestep the bootstrapping
> issue by building Guix with whatever is available in the currently
> deployed Guix; for instance, it would use the ‘guile’, ‘guile-json’,
> etc. packages from the current Guix.  The problem of that approach was
> that it’s stateful: the result depends on what you currently have.
> Sometimes what you have is too old, or lacks some package definition,
> and you can’t really go forward.
> 
> The code in ‘wip-pull-multiple-derivations’ works like this:
> 
>   1. Assume we have Guile and Guix already installed, but not
>      necessarily the latest versions thereof.
> 
>   2. Using the (guix …) modules that we have, build a program—a
>      “trampoline”—that will use the modules of the target Guix (the
>      commit we want to pull) to compute the derivation of that Guix.
> 
>   3. Run that trampoline, which returns /gnu/store/…-guix.drv.  The
>      result should be the same regardless of the initial Guix because
>      the trampoline uses exclusively modules from the target Guix.
> 
>   4. ‘guix pull’ builds that derivation (actually the branch does not
>      modify (guix scripts pull) at all; everything is in
>      build-aux/build-self.scm.)
> 
> In step #4, we should be able to get substitutes for at least some of
> the derivations.
> 
> To build the trampoline in step #2, we first need to build a bunch of
> modules from the target Guix.  Hopefully you don’t have to rebuild them
> at each pull, but it can take a minute or so, and you may not have
> substitutes for that (because this part is stateful.)
> 
> In step #3, the trampoline has compiled code for the core modules, but
> it still has to interpret (gnu packages guile) and related modules,
> because these are not compiled.  The program runs in ~40s on my laptop.
> To make it faster, we could reduce the closure of (gnu packages guile)¹,
> but that can be tricky.  Or we could optimize Guile itself; I’m sure the
> compiler and/or interpreter could do better.
> 
> In that branch, you can also run:
> 
>   make as-derivation
> 
> and it will build Guix from $srcdir in the way described above.
> 
> To summarize, performance is not great, but hopefully it’ll be slightly
> better than what we have now, especially with substitutes.
> Correctness/reproducibility are greatly improved.
> 
> Ludo’.
> 
> ¹ The closure of (gnu packages guile) contains python, haskell-check,
>   music, and many other surprising things:
>   <http://web.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/tmp/gnu-packages-guile.html>.
> 
> 
> 

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-03-27 19:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-06-08  8:39 bug#27284: Memory leak in 'guix pull' or 'make' in guix source ng0
2017-06-08 15:02 ` ng0
2017-09-19 20:48 ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-09-20  2:40   ` Maxim Cournoyer
2017-09-20 11:42     ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-09-20 18:29       ` Maxim Cournoyer
2017-09-20 20:12         ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-09-21 14:43           ` Maxim Cournoyer
2017-09-23 18:14       ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2017-09-24 19:44         ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-09-25 21:00           ` Maxim Cournoyer
2017-10-20 16:05   ` bug#27284: [PATCH 0/8] 'guix pull' creates several derivations Ludovic Courtès
2017-10-20 16:05     ` bug#27284: [PATCH 1/8] build: Factorize module compilation in (guix build compile) Ludovic Courtès
2017-10-22 21:22       ` Maxim Cournoyer
2017-10-23  1:50         ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-10-22 21:42           ` Eric Bavier
2017-10-23  2:51             ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-10-22 22:52               ` Eric Bavier
2017-10-23  5:10                 ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-10-20 16:05     ` bug#27284: [PATCH 2/8] build: Honor make's '-j' flag Ludovic Courtès
2017-10-20 16:05     ` bug#27284: [PATCH 3/8] discovery: Move 'file-name->module-name' to (guix modules) Ludovic Courtès
2017-10-20 16:05     ` bug#27284: [PATCH 4/8] gexp: Add 'file-union' Ludovic Courtès
2017-10-20 16:05     ` bug#27284: [PATCH 5/8] gexp: Add 'directory-union' Ludovic Courtès
2017-10-20 16:05     ` bug#27284: [PATCH 6/8] union: Parametrize the symlink procedure Ludovic Courtès
2017-10-20 16:05     ` bug#27284: [PATCH 7/8] gexp: 'directory-union' has a #:quiet? parameter Ludovic Courtès
2017-10-20 16:05     ` bug#27284: [PATCH 8/8] DRAFT Add (guix self) and use it when pulling Ludovic Courtès
2017-10-22 20:05       ` Maxim Cournoyer
2017-10-27 23:49         ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-11-21 22:26     ` bug#27284: [PATCH 0/8] 'guix pull' creates several derivations Ludovic Courtès
2017-11-21 22:56       ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-12-11 10:52         ` bug#27284: [PATCH 0/4] 'guix pull' reloads modules, second try Ludovic Courtès
2017-12-11 10:52           ` bug#27284: [PATCH 1/4] gnu: Fix ambiguous 'zip' reference Ludovic Courtès
2017-12-11 10:52           ` bug#27284: [PATCH 2/4] gexp: 'computed-file' has a new #:guile parameter Ludovic Courtès
2017-12-11 10:52           ` bug#27284: [PATCH 3/4] Add (guix self) and use it when pulling Ludovic Courtès
2017-12-18 14:57             ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-03-27  9:14               ` bug#27284: ‘guix pull’ builds using multiple derivations Ludovic Courtès
2018-03-27 14:33                 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-03-27 19:25                 ` Nils Gillmann [this message]
2018-03-27 20:51                   ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-04-08 16:37                 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-04-09 19:53                   ` Ricardo Wurmus
2018-04-10 21:53                     ` bug#27284: ‘guix pull’ broken on Guile 2.0 Ludovic Courtès
2018-04-10 23:18                       ` bug#31117: " Ludovic Courtès
2018-04-14 17:39                         ` Ricardo Wurmus
2017-12-11 10:52           ` bug#27284: [PATCH 4/4] pull: Reload modules before doing anything else Ludovic Courtès
2017-11-12 21:33   ` bug#27284: Memory leak in 'guix pull' or 'make' in guix source Ludovic Courtès
2017-11-13  8:59     ` Ricardo Wurmus
2017-11-13  9:28       ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-11-13 14:09         ` Ricardo Wurmus
2017-11-13 17:48           ` Ricardo Wurmus
2017-11-14  7:54           ` Ludovic Courtès

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