* How to run Guix with Hurd @ 2020-07-11 21:14 fr33d0m 2020-07-11 23:05 ` Jan Wielkiewicz 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: fr33d0m @ 2020-07-11 21:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-guix I'm running a standalone GUIX system and have been updating it with GUIX pull and upgrading packages. I'd like to try running the Hurd instead of Libre-Linux but I don't know how to do this. Can someone help me on how to accomplish this if it's possible to do now? I'm new to GUIX so don't assume I know much. Thanks for all the great work you are doing on GUIX! I plan to create a blog and podcast about what I'm learning to teach others about GUIX. -fr33d0m ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: How to run Guix with Hurd 2020-07-11 21:14 How to run Guix with Hurd fr33d0m @ 2020-07-11 23:05 ` Jan Wielkiewicz 2020-07-12 6:25 ` fr33d0m 2020-07-12 6:59 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) 0 siblings, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Jan Wielkiewicz @ 2020-07-11 23:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: fr33d0m; +Cc: help-guix Hello, Dnia 2020-07-11, o godz. 14:14:16 fr33d0m <fr33d0m@agnuwayofthinking.com> napisał(a): > I'm running a standalone GUIX system and have been updating it with > GUIX pull and upgrading packages. > > I'd like to try running the Hurd instead of Libre-Linux but I don't > know how to do this. I guess you read the first April joke post about Linux-libre being replaced with the Hurd. The Hurd isn't ready to replace Linux-libre yet, but you can learn and contribute or tell the others to make it true. Here, the Hurd's website. It is outdated a bit: https://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/ And the more updated one (it is down in the time of writing this post): darnassus.sceen.net/cgit/hurd-web.git/log/index.mdwn The most up to date discussions: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-hurd/ Hurd lacks SMP (Simultaneous MultiProcessing), is 32-bit only and it doesn't support modern hardware yet. You can try Guix GNU/Hurd on a virtual machine (qemu). If you're interested in it, I can give you instructions to set up a VM with the Hurd. Jan Wielkiewicz ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: How to run Guix with Hurd 2020-07-11 23:05 ` Jan Wielkiewicz @ 2020-07-12 6:25 ` fr33d0m 2020-07-12 6:59 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) 1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: fr33d0m @ 2020-07-12 6:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jan Wielkiewicz; +Cc: help-guix Thanks, yes I did see the post about it. I kind of thought it might not be real :-) got me! Thanks for the info. On 7/11/20 4:05 PM, Jan Wielkiewicz wrote: > Hello, > > Dnia 2020-07-11, o godz. 14:14:16 > fr33d0m <fr33d0m@agnuwayofthinking.com> napisał(a): > >> I'm running a standalone GUIX system and have been updating it with >> GUIX pull and upgrading packages. >> >> I'd like to try running the Hurd instead of Libre-Linux but I don't >> know how to do this. > I guess you read the first April joke post about Linux-libre being > replaced with the Hurd. The Hurd isn't ready to replace Linux-libre > yet, but you can learn and contribute or tell the others to make it > true. > > Here, the Hurd's website. It is outdated a bit: > https://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/ > And the more updated one (it is down in the time of writing this post): > darnassus.sceen.net/cgit/hurd-web.git/log/index.mdwn > The most up to date discussions: > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-hurd/ > > Hurd lacks SMP (Simultaneous MultiProcessing), is 32-bit only and it > doesn't support modern hardware yet. > > You can try Guix GNU/Hurd on a virtual machine (qemu). > If you're interested in it, I can give you instructions to set up a VM > with the Hurd. > > > Jan Wielkiewicz ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: How to run Guix with Hurd 2020-07-11 23:05 ` Jan Wielkiewicz 2020-07-12 6:25 ` fr33d0m @ 2020-07-12 6:59 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) 2020-07-12 8:51 ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen 1 sibling, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) @ 2020-07-12 6:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jan Wielkiewicz; +Cc: help-guix On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 01:05:28AM +0200, Jan Wielkiewicz wrote: > Hurd lacks SMP (Simultaneous MultiProcessing), is 32-bit only and it > doesn't support modern hardware yet. I too wanted to try Hurd on real hardware. I see Jan Nieuwenhuizen does much work on it. After Jan Nieuwenhuizen’s patches from the beginning of July, I did partition /dev/sda as dos, not gpt, and created a partition via mkfs.ext2 on it (with inode size 128, but I think it does not matter). I can do e2label /dev/sda1 my-root sudo guix system init /mnt/etc/config.scm /mnt --skip-checks --target=i586-pc-gnu Then as root in `guix repl`: ((@ (gnu build hurd-boot) make-hurd-device-nodes) "/mnt") But Hurd does not support SATA disks (I think), so booting gets stuck when it starts an ext2fs translator. It can run from QEMU on Linux from an external USB: guix environment --ad-hoc qemu-minimal sudo qemu-system-i386 -enable-kvm -m 3G -device rtl8139,netdev=net0 -netdev user,id=net0,hostfwd=tcp:127.0.0.1:10022-:2222 -hda /dev/sda -display vnc=192.168.178.86:0 192.168.178.86 is the local IP of the machine running QEMU. Then one can connect to the VNC via GNOME Boxes. Back then it executed the rc script from gnu/build/hurd-boot.scm and I can put echo shell commands there and they run, however calls to exec got stuck … Now in current Guix there are many new patches and I see the rc script is no longer in Guix’ code. I should try again, but this definitely needs users to spend time with making the system work. The Childhurd service is probably better for just watching in awe. Regards, Florian ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: How to run Guix with Hurd 2020-07-12 6:59 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) @ 2020-07-12 8:51 ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen 2020-07-12 8:58 ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Jan Nieuwenhuizen @ 2020-07-12 8:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: pelzflorian (Florian Pelz); +Cc: help-guix pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) writes: Hello! > On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 01:05:28AM +0200, Jan Wielkiewicz wrote: >> Hurd lacks SMP (Simultaneous MultiProcessing), is 32-bit only and it >> doesn't support modern hardware yet. > > I too wanted to try Hurd on real hardware. I see Jan Nieuwenhuizen > does much work on it. And others, sometimes somewhat more behind the scenes. > After Jan Nieuwenhuizen’s patches from the beginning of July, I did > partition /dev/sda as dos, not gpt, and created a partition via > mkfs.ext2 on it (with inode size 128, but I think it does not matter). Ooh, sweet! > But Hurd does not support SATA disks (I think), so booting gets stuck > when it starts an ext2fs translator. It may just yet. Make sure your /dev/sda1 smaller than 128GiB. Booting GNU/Linux on the X86 shows /dev/sda (in fact I have Guix on /dev/sda2 and used guix system reconfigure together with rsync'ing the store) but the Hurd just sees hd0s1. It took me quite some time and help to find this faq entry https://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/faq/2_gib_partition_limit.html (I didn't read it because I knew the 2GiB limit was no longer an issue). I did something simalar on a Thinkpad X60 and managed to boot, but I'm now stuck getting networking up. We have netdde but I cannot get that to work yet; it fails with --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- netdde: vm_allocate_contiguous : (ipc/mig) bad request message ID --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- Sadly, after applying --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- https://salsa.debian.org/hurd-team/gnumach/-/blob/master/debian/patches/70_dde.patch --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- the Hurd does fails to build for me with a link error --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- i586-pc-gnu-gcc ... -o boot => boot/deviceServer.c:1227: undefined reference to `ds_device_intr_enable' --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- Apparently, our glibc build is off --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- 2020-07-07.log:[21:25:53] <youpi> janneke: you need to build glibc against the patched gnumach headers --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- ...but all I looked, it seems we are already (always) doing that. I haven't found if how and where to mould this into a proper bug report yet; probably it's a mistake on our side. This probably works OOTB upon a new gnumach+hurd release, and it may also be obvious/easy when we get more acquainted with the dependencies here. See also http://richtlijn.be/~larstiq/hurd/hurd-2020-07-07 http://richtlijn.be/~larstiq/hurd/hurd-2020-07-11 https://gitlab.com/janneke/guix/-/tree/wip-hurd-reconfigure > I should try again, but this definitely needs users to spend time with > making the system work. The Childhurd service is probably better for > just watching in awe. Yes; while real hardware is fun, trying takes a lot of time and we can have lots of productive and fun times with the childhurds for now. Greetings, Janneke -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen <janneke@gnu.org> | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: How to run Guix with Hurd 2020-07-12 8:51 ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen @ 2020-07-12 8:58 ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Jan Nieuwenhuizen @ 2020-07-12 8:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: pelzflorian (Florian Pelz); +Cc: help-guix Jan Nieuwenhuizen writes: > It may just yet. Make sure your /dev/sda1 smaller than 128GiB. Eh...the Hurd must not see any parts of a disk beyond 128GiB. So if hd0s1 starts at 0, it must is not bigger than 128GiB. A GNU/Linux partition can live beyond that. I had a 20GiB hd0s2 partition start at 140GiB; that does not work. Janneke -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen <janneke@gnu.org> | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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