Re: Help packaging R Quarto Cli

[Wojtek Kosior via <help-guix@gnu.org>]

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> > Out of curiosity - what are the problems between Guix and JS? When I
> > read this my first suspicion was that maybe TS is a self-hosted
> > language and cannot be bootstrapped. However, when I ran `guix search
> > typescript`, it revealed the existence of some TS->JS compiler called
> > 'rust-swc'. So I guess problems lie somewhere else, right?  
> 
> Nothing per se.  Note that «TypeScript is a strongly typed programming
> language that builds on JavaScript» and from my understanding (maybe I
> am wrong?), it is hard to package Javascript for Guix because the
> Javascript ecosystem is messy.  Janneke provides some explanations [1]
> and I am not convinced the situation have changed since then.  Maybe I
> am wrong…
> 
> 1: <https://yhetil.org/guix/87fudzndu7.fsf@gnu.org>

A few months ago (I think) I did run some code to actually check what
the dependency tree of the protocol buffers JS library (from npm) is.
The tree of runtime deps wasn't horribly big. The tree of
recursively-computed dev deps was, on the other hand, as bad as
described by Janneke or even worse... However, It seems in most cases
many of those packages designated as dev deps are not strictly needed
for actually building stuff. Some are just test dependencies. Others
were perhaps put there because developers understood "dev dependencies"
differently from how packagers understand it...

Anyway, it seems the only way to check what the situation really is is
to actually try packaging something. I'm confident it will be way
easier than it seems :)

Luckily for Sébastien, it seems quarto-cli - although written mostly in
JS/TS - has no NPM deps. Or at least I don't see any...

Wojtek

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On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 12:08:59 +0200
zimoun <zimon.toutoune@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 20:40, Wojtek Kosior via <help-guix@gnu.org> wrote:
> 
> > Out of curiosity - what are the problems between Guix and JS? When I
> > read this my first suspicion was that maybe TS is a self-hosted
> > language and cannot be bootstrapped. However, when I ran `guix search
> > typescript`, it revealed the existence of some TS->JS compiler called
> > 'rust-swc'. So I guess problems lie somewhere else, right?  
> 
> Nothing per se.  Note that «TypeScript is a strongly typed programming
> language that builds on JavaScript» and from my understanding (maybe I
> am wrong?), it is hard to package Javascript for Guix because the
> Javascript ecosystem is messy.  Janneke provides some explanations [1]
> and I am not convinced the situation have changed since then.  Maybe I
> am wrong…
> 
> 1: <https://yhetil.org/guix/87fudzndu7.fsf@gnu.org>
> 
> Cheers,
> simon
> 



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