From: Liliana Marie Prikler <liliana.prikler@gmail.com>
To: "Ludovic Courtès" <ludo@gnu.org>, guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Packages grow, no longer fit on a 💾
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2023 09:07:46 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <f3b6847564733b0339abeabab90e320237df8965.camel@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87tu0s7otg.fsf@inria.fr>
Am Samstag, dem 14.01.2023 um 23:07 +0100 schrieb Ludovic Courtès:
> Hello!
>
> Over the course of a few years, the size of our packages has
> apparently kept growing. Example:
>
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> $ guix time-machine --commit=v1.2.0 -- size emacs
> store item
> total self
> /gnu/store/118xpdazyylxa1rlc68h9lmh38vhxrb4-llvm-10.0.0
> 210.8 139.3 16.2%
> /gnu/store/1qmd9achfkm1njzxf8hi86q53pmy9sxk-mesa-20.0.7
> 369.2 131.3 15.3%
> /gnu/store/d83hc7cqgnhl1vlz1rv4ibkvaqaq2g35-emacs-27.1
> 859.7 106.2 12.4%
> /gnu/store/18hp7flyb3yid3yp49i6qcdq0sbi5l1n-guile-3.0.2
> 132.8 53.2 6.2%
> /gnu/store/9lckq1194qcy4a7kv8bihagd58shj7yr-gtk+-3.24.20
> 723.7 49.0 5.7%
> /gnu/store/qizplwwgqwyq6qmz1i6jlaib5kgzrgwq-icu4c-66.1
> 110.2 38.1 4.4%
> /gnu/store/fa6wj5bxkj5ll1d7292a70knmyl7a0cr-glibc-2.31
> 38.4 36.7 4.3%
> […]
> total: 859.7 MiB
> $ guix time-machine --commit=v1.3.0 -- size emacs
> store item
> total self
> /gnu/store/g3idjpqsp2p2d163qfzskxj4k58nrx7f-llvm-11.0.0
> 220.0 148.6 16.9%
> /gnu/store/jf269s6clr6r57p8v5c3c1qkyra6apq2-mesa-20.2.4
> 389.1 141.6 16.1%
> /gnu/store/7nlq2v4000pw8vgj3m4vrwz072ib58xh-emacs-27.2
> 880.5 106.4 12.1%
> /gnu/store/18hp7flyb3yid3yp49i6qcdq0sbi5l1n-guile-3.0.2
> 132.8 53.2 6.0%
> /gnu/store/czf23hay13pp25yzrb4yq3n4gcri5r70-gtk+-3.24.24
> 744.3 49.1 5.6%
> /gnu/store/2wqjj3mkqdvsvksndr2hpjpi7qqwi7kr-icu4c-66.1
> 110.2 38.1 4.3%
> /gnu/store/fa6wj5bxkj5ll1d7292a70knmyl7a0cr-glibc-2.31
> 38.4 36.7 4.2%
> […]
> total: 880.5 MiB
> $ guix time-machine --commit=v1.4.0 -- size emacs
> store item
> total self
> /gnu/store/i11jmrc90drpx9mc6cyb6s4pjny91qx6-emacs-28.2
> 1592.7 250.6 15.7%
> /gnu/store/sdzfljm6san79pqiy42yp0nzmkr2bafc-mesa-21.3.8
> 411.6 169.6 10.6%
> /gnu/store/6pdzpmxg5afzss6dlivq8z84sfa31x22-llvm-11.0.0
> 221.5 149.5 9.4%
> /gnu/store/lphzb1z0r4kbb453rsvnw7msrxxzp5r7-libgccjit-10.3.0
> 244.8 128.5 8.1%
> /gnu/store/pfas3c4lhr1jwkj2gl0yx8dg4xjjlp4r-mozjs-91.13.0
> 261.2 65.4 4.1%
> /gnu/store/hy6abswwv4d89zp464fw52z65fkzr7h5-perl-5.34.0
> 147.7 58.6 3.7%
> /gnu/store/zyqimpkmpffc24nwwqp46cicj8ss85y5-binutils-2.37
> 126.0 54.4 3.4%
> /gnu/store/cnfsv9ywaacyafkqdqsv2ry8f01yr7a9-guile-3.0.7
> 129.1 52.0 3.3%
> /gnu/store/4aq7hw017s9ihpm1rxpwfz28c80569z9-gtk+-3.24.30
> 1002.2 48.6 3.1%
> /gnu/store/vaxkf8cbc7slgc3ikm5qr3815wih93w8-ghostscript-with-cups-
> 9.54.0 219.1 39.1 2.5%
> /gnu/store/bjycxjjkp1da53ijsa4hfdrz9mcgg55h-icu4c-69.1
> 110.7 38.0 2.4%
> /gnu/store/ayc9r7162rphy4zjw8ch01pmyh214h82-glibc-2.33
> 76.6 36.6 2.3%
> […]
> total: 1592.7 MiB
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>
> I think something went wrong here. :-)
>
> In particular with Emacs itself (due to JIT + dependency on
> libgccjit, Binutils, etc.?) and with GTK+ (due to mozjs in polkit?).
The effect is even more pronounced with emacs-minimal, as it
gratuitously pulls in libgccjit and binutils. Compare
/gnu/store/lphzb1z0r4kbb453rsvnw7msrxxzp5r7-libgccjit-10.3.0 244.8 128.5 27.2%
/gnu/store/wrzjr2g38f23fqg09rrdcn10va5gc5xl-emacs-minimal-28.2 472.4 110.7 23.4%
/gnu/store/zyqimpkmpffc24nwwqp46cicj8ss85y5-binutils-2.37 126.0 54.4 11.5%
/gnu/store/ayc9r7162rphy4zjw8ch01pmyh214h82-glibc-2.33 76.6 36.6 7.8%
/gnu/store/5h2w4qi9hk1qzzgi1w83220ydslinr4s-glibc-2.33 38.3 36.6 7.7%
/gnu/store/6d0pl5khj08j3c2619jnypc8bznspgx8-gcc-10.3.0-lib 71.7 33.4 7.1%
/gnu/store/094bbaq6glba86h1d4cj16xhdi6fk2jl-gcc-10.3.0-lib 71.7 33.4 7.1%
/gnu/store/8fpk2cja3f07xls48jfnpgrzrljpqivr-coreutils-8.32 91.6 16.4 3.5%
/gnu/store/9rrnm5hdjw7cy96a2a9rfgh6y08wsbmf-ncurses-6.2.20210619 77.6 5.9 1.3%
/gnu/store/pmq05n0q25v4qjyibxfrp53v4391k7vh-mpfr-4.1.0 78.4 4.0 0.9%
/gnu/store/ajw8nnrnd6hr183skwqdgc8c7mazg97h-isl-0.23 77.3 2.9 0.6%
/gnu/store/fwbiihd2sbhai63y1pvvdh0f2bakfzrf-gmp-6.2.1 74.4 2.7 0.6%
/gnu/store/4f304c7dp68hkcp1zi1i07zm8nfvvyp7-bash-static-5.1.8 1.7 1.7 0.4%
/gnu/store/720rj90bch716isd8z7lcwrnvz28ap4y-bash-static-5.1.8 1.7 1.7 0.4%
/gnu/store/4y5m9lb8k3qkb1y9m02sw9w9a6hacd16-bash-minimal-5.1.8 39.3 1.0 0.2%
/gnu/store/xjwp2hsd9256icjjybfrmznppjicywf6-grep-3.6 73.5 0.8 0.2%
/gnu/store/ba02g5xkqiss6s5z8mbj9cvkal6l7b9g-mpc-1.2.1 78.8 0.4 0.1%
/gnu/store/a38k2v29l6l0iz6pmlk4dmzwdbvl10lq-acl-2.3.1 72.3 0.3 0.1%
/gnu/store/a7ggx0af69gv4k5mr1k617p4vy9kgx2v-libcap-2.62 72.0 0.3 0.1%
/gnu/store/jkjs0inmzhj4vsvclbf08nmh0shm7lrf-attr-2.5.1 71.9 0.2 0.1%
/gnu/store/8qv5kb2fgm4c3bf70zcg9l6hkf3qzpw9-zlib-1.2.11 71.9 0.2 0.0%
/gnu/store/0c1yfbxyv877mlgychfgvmk5ha2jqh52-gzip-1.10 73.7 0.2 0.0%
Gesamt: 472.4 MiB
and
/gnu/store/7j9jvig1m10zxlhag87fjlmygk5wd779-emacs-minimal-27.2 183.1 105.2 57.4%
/gnu/store/fa6wj5bxkj5ll1d7292a70knmyl7a0cr-glibc-2.31 38.4 36.7 20.1%
/gnu/store/01b4w3m6mp55y531kyi1g8shh722kwqm-gcc-7.5.0-lib 71.0 32.6 17.8%
/gnu/store/zzkly5rbfvahwqgcs7crz0ilpi7x5g5p-ncurses-6.2 76.9 5.9 3.2%
/gnu/store/mmhimfwmmidf09jw1plw3aw1g1zn2nkh-bash-static-5.0.16 1.6 1.6 0.9%
/gnu/store/pwcp239kjf7lnj5i4lkdzcfcxwcfyk72-bash-minimal-5.0.16 39.4 1.0 0.6%
Gesamt: 183.1 MiB
This should probably be rectified by removing said inputs from emacs-
minimal, as they aren't actually used.
> And then MESA and LLVM have always been problematically big.
>
> We should do better. I mean, it’s just a text editor, isn’t it?
Well, gedit is also "just an editor" which weighs 1GB (compared to
880MB for Emacs) in v1.3.0 and 1.3GB in v1.4.0 (mozjs?). I think we
ought to look into duplicate references being kept (glibc, gcc), but we
can't really work against packages including more inputs without
reducing their feature set – in some cases we could try alternatives
like mozjs vs. duktape for polkit.
Cheers
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-01-15 8:08 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-01-14 22:07 Packages grow, no longer fit on a 💾 Ludovic Courtès
2023-01-15 5:51 ` kiasoc5
2023-01-15 8:07 ` Liliana Marie Prikler [this message]
2023-01-16 2:09 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-01-16 5:17 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2023-01-16 13:27 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-01-17 16:15 ` Ludovic Courtès
2023-01-15 12:56 ` Akib Azmain Turja
2023-01-15 17:00 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2023-01-17 16:25 ` Ludovic Courtès
2023-01-17 23:05 ` zimoun
2023-01-17 23:49 ` zimoun
2023-01-18 21:04 ` Grandfathering store paths considered harmful (was: Packages grow, no longer fit on a 💾) Liliana Marie Prikler
2023-01-19 14:28 ` Grandfathering store paths considered harmful Ludovic Courtès
2023-01-19 18:10 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2023-01-19 14:14 ` Packages grow, no longer fit on a 💾 Ludovic Courtès
2023-01-20 10:51 ` Simon Tournier
2023-01-20 14:54 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-01-18 2:41 ` kiasoc5
2023-01-18 8:43 ` indieterminacy
2023-01-19 14:32 ` Ludovic Courtès
2023-01-20 11:06 ` Simon Tournier
2023-01-17 8:06 ` Efraim Flashner
2023-01-17 16:18 ` Ludovic Courtès
2023-01-17 21:54 ` John Kehayias
2023-01-19 15:30 ` Katherine Cox-Buday
2023-01-17 15:06 ` Simon Tournier
2023-01-19 14:34 ` Ludovic Courtès
2023-01-18 20:44 ` Paul Jewell via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
2023-01-19 13:04 ` Joshua Branson
2023-01-19 14:37 ` Ludovic Courtès
2023-01-19 16:12 ` Katherine Cox-Buday
2023-01-19 18:07 ` Akib Azmain Turja
2023-01-20 15:30 ` Csepp
2023-01-20 17:34 ` Akib Azmain Turja
2023-01-21 12:29 ` bokr
2023-01-21 15:55 ` Akib Azmain Turja
2023-01-20 12:11 ` Simon Tournier
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